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Returning (or not) after 3 month RAV export

Hi I'm currently on a 3 month RAV export in my home (EU) country. I gave up my apartment in Switzerland but haven't de-registered with the Gemeinde (Zurich), so I'm still paying health insurance every month.

I was told I can pause the RAV after the 3 months export and spend longer in my home country if I feel I will get a job soon, but return and continue getting the RAV payment in Switzerland if I don't find a job.

I asked my Leistungsexports person about de-registering but she didn't know and said I need to go in to the stadt office and ask them about it.

Some things I'm not sure about:

- if I decide to stay longer than 3 months in my home country, but possibly return to Switzerland after a few more months, do I need to de-register from the Gemeinde after the 3 months RAV export is up?
- if I can't get a job in my home country after the 3 month export and I return to Switzerland, will it be difficult to re-register with the Gemeinde if I de-register after 3 months? (given that I won't have a job)
- if I decide to stay longer than the 3 months and don't de-register with the Gemeinde, will I have to keep paying health insurance or can I cancel it? (I'm with Sanitas - need to cancel by the end of this month I think)
- if I decide not to return to Switzerland after the 3 month RAV export, can I de-register from the Gemeinde remotely or do I have to fly back?

Thanks in advance
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Old 09.11.2018, 14:53
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Re: Returning (or not) after 3 month RAV export

What permit are you on? In principle it would automatically expire if you no longer effectively live here?

A lot will depend on your nationality and your permit type.
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What permit are you on? In principle it would automatically expire if you no longer effectively live here?

A lot will depend on your nationality and your permit type.
Hi Roegner I'm on my second B permit that's valid until 2021.

Does a B permit expire if you do the 3 month RAV export? Hadn't heard that before.
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Re: Returning (or not) after 3 month RAV export

Afaik your permit expires if you no longer live in Switzerland (6 months). No idea if that is also the case when taking RAV payments abroad.

Probably someone will come around soon who is expert in this topic.
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Re: Returning (or not) after 3 month RAV export

an ignorant question perhaps - my apologies in advance - but what exactly is meant by RAV export? where RAV lets you go back to your home country to look for a job there whilst you still get your unemployment money from the arbeitslosenkasse?
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an ignorant question perhaps - my apologies in advance - but what exactly is meant by RAV export? where RAV lets you go back to your home country to look for a job there whilst you still get your unemployment money from the arbeitslosenkasse?
Basically yes, you can transfer your unemployment benefits to any EU country, theoretically for six months, practically for three months.
It's based on a bilateral agreement between EU and CH.
But you need to spend the first month with job seeking in CH, so you can do the transfer from the 2nd month of unemployment, not earlier.
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Re: Returning (or not) after 3 month RAV export

Thank you for the answer Henrik. Was just curious because I'd heard that that that was possible, but anyway doesn't apply to me as I'm not EU, nor do I want to go back to my home country.
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Thank you for the answer Henrik. Was just curious because I'd heard that that that was possible, but anyway doesn't apply to me as I'm not EU, nor do I want to go back to my home country.
it has nothing to do with your home country, it's anywhere in the E.U.
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it has nothing to do with your home country, it's anywhere in the E.U.
ah ok thanks for the clarification. Anyways I prefer Switzerland over any EU country, so I'd be staying here regardless
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Re: Returning (or not) after 3 month RAV export

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- if I decide to stay longer than 3 months in my home country, but possibly return to Switzerland after a few more months, do I need to de-register from the Gemeinde after the 3 months RAV export is up?
- if I can't get a job in my home country after the 3 month export and I return to Switzerland, will it be difficult to re-register with the Gemeinde if I de-register after 3 months? (given that I won't have a job)
- if I decide to stay longer than the 3 months and don't de-register with the Gemeinde, will I have to keep paying health insurance or can I cancel it? (I'm with Sanitas - need to cancel by the end of this month I think)
- if I decide not to return to Switzerland after the 3 month RAV export, can I de-register from the Gemeinde remotely or do I have to fly back?

Thanks in advance
I don't know how can you remain registered in Gemeinde if you gave up your apartment, and more importantly how did you manage to export your RAV without producing the document from the Gemeinde that you are going to leave Switzerland?

Regarding your other questions, your RAV eligibility is valid for 2 calendar years. As an EU citizen you can always come back to Switzerland for up to 3 months. Then you would re-register at RAV. Having income from RAV you can get a permit again. Of course you would never be compensated by RAV for the time spent outside of Switzerland (apart the 3 months you are receiving). I have heard an urban legend that it is possible to leave Switzerland for 2.9 months, just on the last day register again in Switzerland and a month later go away for another 2.9 months.

Does B permit expire immediately upon leave or like C permit remain valid for some time, I have no idea.
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I don't know how can you remain registered in Gemeinde if you gave up your apartment, and more importantly how did you manage to export your RAV without producing the document from the Gemeinde that you are going to leave Switzerland?

Regarding your other questions, your RAV eligibility is valid for 2 calendar years. As an EU citizen you can always come back to Switzerland for up to 3 months. Then you would re-register at RAV. Having income from RAV you can get a permit again. Of course you would never be compensated by RAV for the time spent outside of Switzerland (apart the 3 months you are receiving). I have heard an urban legend that it is possible to leave Switzerland for 2.9 months, just on the last day register again in Switzerland and a month later go away for another 2.9 months.

Does B permit expire immediately upon leave or like C permit remain valid for some time, I have no idea.
No requirement to leave CH it's just a 3 month export ob benefits.

They won't let you export twice in a row with 1 day in CH,

Like a C permit if you are still living in CH, if you leave both are cancelled.
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I don't know how can you remain registered in Gemeinde if you gave up your apartment, and more importantly how did you manage to export your RAV without producing the document from the Gemeinde that you are going to leave Switzerland?
There's no requirement to de-register with the Gemeinde for the RAV export.
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Hi I'm currently on a 3 month RAV export in my home (EU) country. I gave up my apartment in Switzerland but haven't de-registered with the Gemeinde (Zurich), so I'm still paying health insurance every month.

I was told I can pause the RAV after the 3 months export and spend longer in my home country if I feel I will get a job soon, but return and continue getting the RAV payment in Switzerland if I don't find a job.

I asked my Leistungsexports person about de-registering but she didn't know and said I need to go in to the stadt office and ask them about it.

Some things I'm not sure about:

- if I decide to stay longer than 3 months in my home country, but possibly return to Switzerland after a few more months, do I need to de-register from the Gemeinde after the 3 months RAV export is up?
- if I can't get a job in my home country after the 3 month export and I return to Switzerland, will it be difficult to re-register with the Gemeinde if I de-register after 3 months? (given that I won't have a job)
- if I decide to stay longer than the 3 months and don't de-register with the Gemeinde, will I have to keep paying health insurance or can I cancel it? (I'm with Sanitas - need to cancel by the end of this month I think)
- if I decide not to return to Switzerland after the 3 month RAV export, can I de-register from the Gemeinde remotely or do I have to fly back?

Thanks in advance
I am pretty sure that you must return to Switzerland on the day the 3 months expire and register as unemployed in CH again. If you don't, I would expect that you lose your rights to RAV and have to earn the right again.

However, I suppose you can - at the end of the 3 months - remain as unemployed in your new country and be part of their system. Check with your RAV office and the office in your new country. The rules are standardized across borders, so they should have a very clear answer for you. I expect you continue to have access to benefits in your new country according to their rules since you can transfer your seniority (but you can no longer get benefits in/from CH).

You can de-register if you want as far as I understand, there is no obligation to stay registered even during the 3 months as you are moving abroad. When you move abroad you must register as unemployed there and follow the rules for unemployed persons. I suppose you must also register in your new country for the health insurance as well and it is not necessary to be registered in 2 health systems. Whether it is a good idea to de-register in CH is probably something that has to be considered and there is probably a rule for when you must de-register in CH (6 months?). I don't know.

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Basically yes, you can transfer your unemployment benefits to any EU country, theoretically for six months, practically for three months.
It's based on a bilateral agreement between EU and CH.
But you need to spend the first month with job seeking in CH, so you can do the transfer from the 2nd month of unemployment, not earlier.
How is it possible to do it for 6 months?

Is there not an exemption for the first month rule if, e.g. your spouse takes up a job in an EU country and you follow along?
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How is it possible to do it for 6 months?

Is there not an exemption for the first month rule if, e.g. your spouse takes up a job in an EU country and you follow along?

The process by design (see https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizen...s/index_en.htm) allows three months, with an option to extend it to six months.
However, it also says "Not all countries grant extensions. Ask the public employment service in your home country if, and under what conditions, extensions can be granted.", and according to all available sources of information (including posters here on EF) ORP/RAV under no circumstances approves the extension.
Similarly, the guy from ORP (who assisted in my case when I went through this process) told me it's for three months.

Regarding the exemption for the first month rule, the above link mentions

"Before leaving, you must:

have been registered as an unemployed jobseeker with the employment services in the country where you became unemployed for at least 4 weeks (exceptions can be made)
", so perhaps there is a way to do it during the first month, but certainly it's only RAV/ORP who can confirm on this.
And those guys (usually being Swiss) are not famous for their flexibility...
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