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It's not nice. In all my career in over a decade, this has never happened to me before. And generally speaking the Swiss are always boasting about their wealth, so why so much austerity.



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Re: Forced to take a 25% paycut at the end of my probation period

Last year my employer where I'd been at for several years told me they wanted to reduce my working time. I said great, I was thinking about going to 80% anyway. Then they said they were thinking "more like 40%". My jaw dropped. I made the best out of a bad situation, accepted the cut, negotiated a higher rate so that my pay was only cut 50%, then promptly started looking for a 2nd part time job to fill the gap. I found one within 3 weeks, and now work there 40% as well. End result: same pay as before when working fulltime, but now I only work 80%, and both employers allow me home office. Plus the mix of two completely different jobs is a lot more interesting then drinking the same flavor koolaid day after day. When life gives you lemons...
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Last year my employer where I'd been at for several years told me they wanted to reduce my working time. I said great, I was thinking about going to 80% anyway. Then they said they were thinking "more like 40%". My jaw dropped. I made the best out of a bad situation, accepted the cut, negotiated a higher rate so that my pay was only cut 50%, then promptly started looking for a 2nd part time job to fill the gap. I found one within 3 weeks, and now work there 40% as well. End result: same pay as before when working fulltime, but now I only work 80%, and both employers allow me home office. Plus the mix of two completely different jobs is a lot more interesting then drinking the same flavor koolaid day after day. When life gives you lemons...
Plus, if one fires you you still have the second job...
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Re: Forced to take a 25% paycut at the end of my probation period

https://www.einfachkuendigen.ch/aenderungskuendigung/

Just put this one through the google translate. Interesting is that it says the boss has to have a good reason (like company in trouble) to cut your salary like that. Else you dont have to accept it and the ALK will not discount you.
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Plus, if one fires you you still have the second job...
Exactly. It's always easier to find a job when you have a job.
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how is that better than earning 100k in the first 3 months and if satisfactory, you continue to earn 100k?
Perhaps I was not clear. I meant that, IF the the company was not sure whether her/him is worth 100k, they could offer such an arrangement BEFORE HE/SHE STARTED WORKING. What to me is a complete dishonesty is to come up after three 3 months and say they will lower the salary.
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Perhaps I was not clear. I meant that, IF the the company was not sure whether her/him is worth 100k, they could offer such an arrangement BEFORE HE/SHE STARTED WORKING. What to me is a complete dishonesty is to come up after three 3 months and say they will lower the salary.
Or they could just have fired him with one week's notice. I guess taking a pay cut may be considered by some to be the lesser evil...
Maybe he just didn't cut the mustard as far as the employer was concerned and those were the options that were given. What else do you suggest they could have done? Continue to pay someone more than their worth? Why? After all, that is what the probation period is all about...Assessing whether someone fits the bill and inversely whether the company is what you expected it to be as an employer. It's a 2-way street.
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It's not nice. In all my career in over a decade, this has never happened to me before. And generally speaking the Swiss are always boasting about their wealth, so why so much austerity.
I can understand you're upset, but I've never come across Swiss boasting about their wealth. they may have nice cars, watches or clothes, but the real wealthy tend to be discrete and the well off just normal.

Wealthy Brits and Germans do tend to show off a bit but I've always found the ones who boast about having "loadsamoney" rarely do, they just like to put on a show to make you think they do!
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Its very demotivating, and I can be reasonable but 22% is extortionate. I used to earn 100K and now my salary is 78K.
Unlike most of the other commenters, I symphatize with you and believe that you were treated unfairly. You were hired for a junior position after being vetted. You probably quit another job which were paying better than the post-probation amount for this one based on the promise of a certain salary. Did they not know your salary was a senior level salary when they hired you? Also, believe me 100K is not a senior SW engineer salary by any means. I would think a senior would be paid at least 120k.

I suspect your employer hired you with the design to promise a high salary and immediately reduce it leaving you basically trapped. This is a sign of a bad work environment and I think you should immediately start looking for something else.

Do not be discouraged thinking your performance led to this. I don't know you but I know plenty of people getting paid well while not performing well.

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Re: Forced to take a 25% paycut at the end of my probation period

Am talking from experience with no legal background.

Just to fill in the gaps:

- Are you internally employed by the company
- If so, then does your employment contract give any indication that a salary change could be initiated
- Will your job description be changed i.e. from Senior Developer to other (important for your CV)
- You should have received a letter from your employer stating a change of contract terms, and requiring your agreement

If you are employed as an external contract, then things will be entirely different of course.
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Re: Forced to take a 25% paycut at the end of my probation period

It was an internal role. I don't believe so. Nothing was sent in the post. I was given the weekend to respond, or either sign there on the spot; or get terminated on the spot, if I disagree. Two documents were presented, the new contract, and the other document that would initiate my departure from the company.
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Re: Forced to take a 25% paycut at the end of my probation period

If the new salary is in line with the function / job title / job description then there is little to argument against the salary change.

If the new salary is too low for the job, too low by the common standards etc then they are lohndumping, something also hotly debated in the media (firms attracting foreigners and offering them low salary, in order to bring down the general level of pay). If I am not mistaken (see the earlier link) then you can refuse, get fired and the unemployment benefits will not be reduced. If you have rechtsschutz you can sue.
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Re: Forced to take a 25% paycut at the end of my probation period

You won't be able to do anything about the termination of the present contract.
BUT I would insist on the termination of it in writing!!

Next they are offering a new job. The only difference is the salary? Did you read it well?

Is this a really big company? (They probably know what they're doing if so, a little one probably doesn't).

There is so much to consider here and you're the only one who knows what exactly and who and what is all involved. So it is impossible to advise you what to do.

I think I would have a lawyer have a quick look into it and give you the facts and possibilities. I know I would. I'll send you a pm.
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It was an internal role. I don't believe so. Nothing was sent in the post. I was given the weekend to respond, or either sign there on the spot; or get terminated on the spot, if I disagree. Two documents were presented, the new contract, and the other document that would initiate my departure from the company.
Never heard of something like this. Everyone is dying to know - which company was it?
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How honest was your CV that you gave when you applied for this job ?

Possibly another case of “Lost in translation” maybe ?
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Re: Forced to take a 25% paycut at the end of my probation period

Frankly, it stinks. The next time something like this happens, have a short chat with a lawyer. Worst case you lose a couple of hundred franks to be told nothing can be done - best case, you've got knowledge of the law that helps you with negotiating. In a meeting I had with a former employee, I pointed out that what was being proposed was Änderungskündigung... as a result I got a much better exit deal than they'd originally offered. I don't really understand why, but that's what my legal advisor told me to say. What your boss did seems to me to be Änderungskündigung as well - "dismissal with the option of altered conditions of employment " or "notice of termination pending a change of contract"

Of course, if you'd mentioned it, he may have terminted you anyway for being a smartarse - but he may have had to pay you non-probationary notice. Any dismissal would come to the attention of HR, and he may have wanted to keep it quiet. Who knows? It's all down to negotiation, and in the final analysis, he has all the power.

Effectively, your choce was suck it up, or be terminated (but possibly with better terms than 7 days). You chose to suck it up, so there's nothing to be done there. However, it seems to me, that your boss cannot be trusted, so you need to get out from his authority. There's nothing to say that he won't deceive you again.

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Re: Forced to take a 25% paycut at the end of my probation period

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Possibly another case of “Lost in translation” maybe ?
What a stupid comment! How do you know the OP lied on their CV and are you so naive to think that lies on CVs won't be caught out during the interview process?
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Never heard of something like this. Everyone is dying to know - which company was it?
Well, I am not dying to know for one. Why should the OP disclose the details? Please stop trying to coerce him into giving information that might harm him.
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Re: Forced to take a 25% paycut at the end of my probation period

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Frankly, it stinks. The next time something like this happens, have a short chat with a lawyer. .
Frankly I think this is just throwing money out of the window. A work contract is just that, it can be cancelled by both parties without a reason.

When you make such a proposal, you expect that the employee will go. So you make it only in order not to fire but to leave the chance to the employee to quit. The primary reason here is that the reduction by 25% is around what he would get from RAV. As he is new in Switzerland, he would get no RAV. From this perspective the proposal reads this way: "we don't want to keep you, so look for a new job as soon as possible. Knowing that you don't get any RAV, we will keep you for some time with a RAV-like contribution in order to compensate for the trouble".

Probably the OP will be fired within 1 year if he doesn't quit.
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What a stupid comment! How do you know the OP lied on their CV and are you so naive to think that lies on CVs won't be caught out during the interview process?

1) I didn't say he lied i said how "honest" was the CV, their is a big difference as we all know.....


2) It is a "medium sized Swiss company" maybe they are not quite as adept at checking and vetting CV's as large companies, assuming of course it was necessary.


Sure it stinks, but a 25% salary drop is not insignificant, in fact it is very large so after the probationary period they decided that the guy doesn't do everything as stated on the tin, they decided to cut the salary but keep him.


The choice now is does he stay at a lower salary or leave with nothing lined up.


Maybe the solution would be to make a counter proposal, drop to Chf 85k for 6 months with a further review after these 6 months are up and he has proved his worth of Chf 100k to the company unequivocally.



If indeed he is a s good as it says then their should be no problem finding a new position.


It seems he is in a junior position rather than a senior position and from what has been said here, Chf 75k would be closer to reality.
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