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Job making me work over contract hours

Recently moved to switzerland and found work, however my contract was for 44 hrs a week average and can go upto 45hrs in peak season however I am working on average 54hrs and I am told to not put this on the time sheet that they will submit to the authorities and that at the end of the season I will be "compensated" with cash or some time off however as this is just from there mouth I wonder what to do as i dont want them to fire me as I need to support my partner and baby which is a struggle already on my less than 3k a month salary.

The job is just for the season however hopefully we will be married by then and I can hopefully set up a maintenance/diy/painter business.

But grafting 6 days a week all day for so little pay and when I choose the job because of the hours it's a little disheartening.
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Re: Job making me work over contract hours

54hrs a week for less than 3K a month

Keep a very strict notation of working hours for yourself, with proof when possible and sign nothing that tells otherwise. Even better is to keep an extra bookkeeping between you and your employer.

It is not legal, you are likely missing out on mandatory compensation on overtime, and if you open your mouth you are likely to be having your last working day. But also it is not extremely rare in some businesses and what alternatives do you have?
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Re: Job making me work over contract hours

This may help clarify the issue.

https://www.ch.ch/en/overtime-and-extra-hours/

Basically you're being exploited especially if that salary doesn't include room and board.

As EdwinNL said, keep a record of your working hours in case you need them for any subsequent action against the company.
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Re: Job making me work over contract hours

Can I ask you what line of business you work in currently? ( vineyard related?)
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Can I ask you what line of business you work in currently? ( vineyard related?)
Hospitality

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This may help clarify the issue.

https://www.ch.ch/en/overtime-and-extra-hours/

Basically you're being exploited especially if that salary doesn't include room and board.

As EdwinNL said, keep a record of your working hours in case you need them for any subsequent action against the company.
Yeah I've got it all recorded in my diary

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Old 20.12.2018, 10:21
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Re: Job making me work over contract hours

In Valais as elsewhere there will be a "Office du Travail" go speak with them and you should get what is due to you, probably more as your employer is underpaying you.


Shouldn't be too difficult to find new job in hospitality in Valais right now, the ski season is just begining.....
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In Valais as elsewhere there will be a "Office du Travail" go speak with them and you should get what is due to you, probably more as your employer is underpaying you.


Shouldn't be too difficult to find new job in hospitality in Valais right now, the ski season is just begining.....
The problem is they mostly want seasonaires so they offer dreadful pay in return for accomodation so they won't take me is the reply I've had from several companies
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Recently moved to switzerland and found work, however my contract was for 44 hrs a week average and can go upto 45hrs in peak season however I am working on average 54hrs and I am told to not put this on the time sheet that they will submit to the authorities and that at the end of the season I will be "compensated" with cash or some time off however as this is just from there mouth I wonder what to do as i dont want them to fire me as I need to support my partner and baby which is a struggle already on my less than 3k a month salary.

The job is just for the season however hopefully we will be married by then and I can hopefully set up a maintenance/diy/painter business.

But grafting 6 days a week all day for so little pay and when I choose the job because of the hours it's a little disheartening.
3K CHF NET? If not, then how much Gross?
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3K CHF NET? If not, then how much Gross?
Before tax 3400
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3400 and accommodation and meals ?
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Before tax 3400
and before tips/Trinkgeld?
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No i have my own place and organise my own food

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and before tips/Trinkgeld?


Unfortunately I'm not client involved I run all the logistics side

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Re: Job making me work over contract hours

Thats sound very weird.
How they plan to compensate you? Because they need to pay all the taxes and AHV, blabblabla as well as secure that you are healthy and take care of your well being. You need at least 11 hours break between shifts and you can not work more that 6 weeks during the weekends in a Role. Check the kind of contract you have.
Anyway, I would get a Rechtschutzversicherung in case you need a lawyer in the future and follow the tips to keep a book with your working hours. I hope you are doing your breaks as well.
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Re: Job making me work over contract hours

Another quick input, the law protects a lot the kind of Business that is seasonal here, so check with the Association of the type of market you are working on. They must have some rules and if your contract is connected to a Verband (associations).
Like in Gastro, they have Gastro Suisse... and so on.
That means the rules of compensations are set up for both parties to protect the worker....otherwise this people rip you off on the season. If you have many doubts, even though I am not a huge UNIA fan, you can contact them and they help you, they know all about this stuff.
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Another quick input, the law protects a lot the kind of Business that is seasonal here, so check with the Association of the type of market you are working on. They must have some rules and if your contract is connected to a Verband (associations).
Like in Gastro, they have Gastro Suisse... and so on.
That means the rules of compensations are set up for both parties to protect the worker....otherwise this people rip you off on the season. If you have many doubts, even though I am not a huge UNIA fan, you can contact them and they help you, they know all about this stuff.
Cheers thankyou sorry what does UNIA stand for also I'm so busy I have to eat a snack for dinner while I work
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Re: Job making me work over contract hours

https://www.unia.ch/de/

Unia is like an Workers Association, normally linked to left wing parties....they have many people inside there in charge to help and with knowledge to help you.

https://www.unia.ch/de/arbeitswelt/v...echt-ratgeber/

I dont love them, but cant deny they might help sometimes.
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https://www.unia.ch/de/

Unia is like an Workers Association, normally linked to left wing parties....they have many people inside there in charge to help and with knowledge to help you.

https://www.unia.ch/de/arbeitswelt/v...echt-ratgeber/

I dont love them, but cant deny they might help sometimes.
Thank you one thing I was wondering though is how do I prove I've worked all these hours other than calls and emails I receive and send at this time. If it did come down to my word against there's.
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Thank you one thing I was wondering though is how do I prove I've worked all these hours other than calls and emails I receive and send at this time. If it did come down to my word against there's.
Do you have any witness or you are hidden somewhere isolated...
Try to gather some evidence as soon as possible. Send periodically an email to your boss with the hours off the record as a reminder or just mention the matter, like "according to my records I did already xx hours overtime, I'm afraid there won't be enough time to compensate it with a time off...", just engage with your boss in written form. You may also (in written form) try to take the time off from the overtime by giving any made up excuses, to play very safe, in the end either you won't do the overtime or you would have a written proof
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Do you have any witness or you are hidden somewhere isolated...
Try to gather some profs as soon as possible. Send periodically an email to your boss with the hours off the record as a reminder or just mention the matter, like "according to my records I did already xx hours overtime, I'm afraid there won't be enough time to compensate it with a time off...", just engage with your boss in written form

Yeah I am in an office quite alot however whether people would risk themselves to support me is another question and yes ill start doing that
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