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Another IT salary question

Hi,

I have been contacted by a startup offering a job as a C# Unitydeveloper. They offer me 66.000CHF yearly which feels far too low. Here is my profile :

- 24yo
- 3 years of exp
- Master degree
- Proficient in C/C++14/C# .Net
- Experienced in OpenGL/DirectX
- Proficient in CUDA and Qt.

I was expecting something more like 90-100K CHF, according to the salarium. Any clues on the proposed salary ? They talked about equalized salary too, whatever it means.
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Re: Another IT salary question

66K is indeed low for a graduate with master degree in CS, but 90-100K is also to high, normal starting salary is 80-90K, considering your young age 80K should be the benchmark. Since they are a startup they should offer you some kind of participation, i.e. shares, then you could also go with the 66k.

What kind of startup is it? Do they develop a product or a service. Be careful if they also do "consulting", then it is probably just some sort of body-leasing and you should not go lower than 90K.
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Old 30.12.2018, 13:35
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Re: Another IT salary question

Often startups offer less than what the regular markets offer. Do you get some part of the profit if the product works?
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66K is indeed low for a graduate with master degree in CS, but 90-100K is also to high, normal starting salary is 80-90K, considering your young age 80K should be the benchmark. Since they are a startup they should offer you some kind of participation, i.e. shares, then you could also go with the 66k.

What kind of startup is it? Do they develop a product or a service. Be careful if they also do "consulting", then it is probably just some sort of body-leasing and you should not go lower than 90K.
Augmented Reality startup, and they didnt talk about any other form of participation.
Also I spoke with people from my school, they all started at 100K minimum, that is why I said I expected that salary.

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Nope, no other form of profit.
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Old 30.12.2018, 14:33
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Also I spoke with people from my school, they all started at 100K minimum, that is why I said I expected that salary.
Recently? But probably not 100k with a startup, they normally do not have that kind of money
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Recently? But probably not 100k with a startup, they normally do not have that kind of money
It's a misunderstanding that startups offer considerably lower salaries. They usually pay the average or a slightly lower salary combined with equity/stock options.
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Hi,

I have been contacted by a startup offering a job as a C# Unitydeveloper. They offer me 66.000CHF yearly which feels far too low. Here is my profile :

- 24yo
- 3 years of exp
- Master degree
- Proficient in C/C++14/C# .Net
- Experienced in OpenGL/DirectX
- Proficient in CUDA and Qt.

I was expecting something more like 90-100K CHF, according to the salarium. Any clues on the proposed salary ? They talked about equalized salary too, whatever it means.
No, you could have expected this salary more than ten years ago (maybe, considering your age and work experience...). Numerous threads on EF with surprisingly low offers, OP. Check them out. It seems that now it's a trend.
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Re: Another IT salary question

I wouldn't accept anything less than 90K. They are hoping to profit from your reduced salary
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Re: Another IT salary question

That salary is way too low.
Borderline insulting.

Sadly someone will take this job.
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I wouldn't accept anything less than 90K. They are hoping to profit from your reduced salary

The salary may be somewhat low but the job seems to be very interesting. At his young age the OP has not many financial obligations and can still live comfortable with that amount of money. Better take this job with a reduced salary than a job that maybe pays 10-20K more and get stuck in a boring scrum project at some larger company or low end IT consulting shop.
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You won't be able to save much at all on 65K. It's really an expensive place. If they want to attract talent then make them pay for it.
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Hi,

I have been contacted by a startup offering a job as a C# Unitydeveloper. They offer me 66.000CHF yearly which feels far too low. Here is my profile :

- 24yo
- 3 years of exp
- Master degree
- Proficient in C/C++14/C# .Net
- Experienced in OpenGL/DirectX
- Proficient in CUDA and Qt.

I was expecting something more like 90-100K CHF, according to the salarium. Any clues on the proposed salary ? They talked about equalized salary too, whatever it means.
Too low, they are trying their luck. Ask for 85K and see what they offer you.
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Old 31.12.2018, 00:21
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I would also say something like 80-85k would be more what you should be looking for. Even at a startup..
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Re: Another IT salary question

That's just plain insulting. You can find this kind of money easily in the EU with much lower CoL.

Tell them to either double it so you don't starve or shove it up their ass.
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Old 31.12.2018, 10:01
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Re: Another IT salary question

Do you actually have 3 years working experience in the professional commercial world? That would mean you got your masters when you were 21, right? If that's the case 66K is woefully low.

If your 3 years experience wasn't in the commercial world, then you should be looking at 80K+. You are essentially treated as having no work experience. May seem unfair, but that's the way it is.

While your friends may have got 100K starting - what sector was that in? It's doable, but not normal across all employers.
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Sadly someone will take this job.
I think not. Unless it's someone totally oblivious of the cost of living in CH.
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Hi,

I have been contacted by a startup offering a job as a C# Unitydeveloper. They offer me 66.000CHF yearly which feels far too low. Here is my profile :

- 24yo
- 3 years of exp
- Master degree
- Proficient in C/C++14/C# .Net
- Experienced in OpenGL/DirectX
- Proficient in CUDA and Qt.

I was expecting something more like 90-100K CHF, according to the salarium. Any clues on the proposed salary ? They talked about equalized salary too, whatever it means.
AFAIK, times are rather tough for developers in Geneva (you seems to be targeting it based on your location), salaries were pushed down to 80K in 2018 (if anyone accepted). I knew a PhD graduate who took a job for 70K to start with but 66K would be a new lowest record if you accept it!!
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Re: Another IT salary question

This is the newest insultingly low ball salary the employer is trying to chance it, shame on them.

Just ask these questions before negotiating:-
1. Are your salary competitive?
2. Do YOU or your HR aware of the lowest, average and highest salary band for this role?

If they donít know the answer to number 2, then Google Salary survey in CH and show them the stats.

Only a Foreigner will be duped into accepting this low salary.
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Old 02.01.2019, 01:53
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Re: Another IT salary question

Minimum Aldi salary is 56'290 (gross, per year) in 2017:
https://unternehmen.aldi-suisse.ch/f...ua-1-pourcent/

This amount doesn't imply that worker salaries are high in Switzerland but that the cost of living is very high. You might be for a nasty surprise if you try to live here for this money, especially with a family (or, well, save up to start a family later).

I would say - if this job is so unique it is worth the experience, then you know it better. But salary-wise you're placing yourself solidly in the low-income class.
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