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HI All,

Glad that I found this forum. Hope I will get good guidance for my dream come true.

I am Indian living in India. I Have 10 years of IT experience, as developer.

From my childhood I have dream of working in abroad, and in my present company I have chance to work in UK but not long term. I want to work for long term in abroad.

Many of my college advised that UK is too costly for living and finally we cant save money for future.

so after few research I came to know that Switzerland is best country for pay and work life balance.

My questions : As a Non EU citizen , will i get job in Switzerland ? how hard it is ? and what are the ways ? can someone suggest any genuine Job portal and agencies ?

My current situation : I know only English(not like native speaker but I can communicate well ), I don't know German or french or any Swiss language.

Do I have to learn any Swiss language for getting Job there ? if so what language is best for getting job?
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Sorry, next to impossible but I am sure others will be along shortly to expand.
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Sorry, next to impossible but I am sure others will be along shortly to expand.
OMG that was really disappointing

Any how thanks a lot for your reply slammer.

It will be great if I know the reason. Thanks
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OMG that was really disappointing

Any how thanks a lot for your reply slammer.

It will be great if I know the reason. Thanks
Well non EU for a start, then no language skills and unless you have some desperatly needed skill you are regarded lower in the foodchain than plankton.
And if you think London is expensive; ho boy are you in for a surprise.
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Well non EU for a start, then no language skills and unless you have some desperatly needed skill you are regarded lower in the foodchain than plankton.
And if you think London is expensive; ho boy are you in for a surprise.

Ha ha ha funny reply. Thanks slammer.

Yes, I am reading certain links from google and found Switzerland prefer locally skilled people employee rather non EU. Exception is only if they don't have matching skill then they might go for NON EU(that s almost not possible).

Other site says , big international company can easily get work permit but it is hard for them to look Non EU. so it sounds really hard

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Ha ha ha so you mean Switzerland is much costlier than LONDON right ?
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Many of these questions can be answered if you exercise some patience and initiative and do a search of the forum and read the MANY employment, migration and cost of living threads. Otherwise you are simply asking people to repeat or direct you to what has been posted many times, and that is a little lazy and rude.

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Well non EU for a start, then no language skills and unless you have some desperatly needed skill you are regarded lower in the foodchain than plankton.
And if you think London is expensive; ho boy are you in for a surprise.

Slammer, considering that you are someone who had a terrible time in Switzerland and hates it I fail to see why you still hang around here spending so much time giving newbies shitty advice and spreading your tired old doom and gloom spiel. When you consider the salary people in expat careers get, combined with the lower taxes, living here in Switzerland is often cheaper, not to mention less stressful, than London.
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Many of these questions can be answered if you exercise some patience and initiative and do a search of the forum and read the MANY employment, migration and cost of living threads. Otherwise you are simply asking people to repeat or direct you to what has been posted many times, and that is a little lazy and rude.
I am extremely sorry Richdog for being rude by posting these newbie question

I just want to know if It is possible for me to get settle there ? I was thinking that you legends will at least give me guidance to read some link from forum that has same topic. Sorry i will search i find it out.

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Slammer, considering that you are someone who had a terrible time in Switzerland and hates it I fail to see why you still hang around here spending so much time giving newbies shitty advice and spreading your tired old doom and gloom spiel. When you consider the salary people in expat careers get, combined with the lower taxes, living here in Switzerland is often cheaper, not to mention less stressful, than London.
Thanks Richdog for making me understand.
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Re: Guidance needed-I am Indian Experienced IT professional

It's not impossible, but also it isn't easy. Basically you need to find an employer who'll sponsor you for a job. This is the criteria that has to be met.

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...zulassung.html

Needless to say it costs time and money to apply so employers will only do it if they think they have a good chance of getting a permit for you and that will depend on what skills/experience you have to offer them. You would need to apply for jobs directly, agencies can't really help you here unless it's contract work. See these websites.

www.jobs.ch
www.jobup.ch
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It's not impossible, but also it isn't easy. Basically you need to find an employer who'll sponsor you for a job. This is the criteria that has to be met.

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...zulassung.html

Needless to say it costs time and money to apply so employers will only do it if they think they have a good chance of getting a permit for you and that will depend on what skills/experience you have to offer them. You would need to apply for jobs directly, agencies can't really help you here unless it's contract work. See these websites.

www.jobs.ch
www.jobup.ch
Thanks a lot for your positive encouraging reply Medea Fleecestealer.

Sure I will went through these links. Thanks again
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Jeebers, Richdog, someone piss in your Weetabix this morning or what?

If newbies annoy you, don't bother to reply to their threads. If veterans annoy you, put them on ignore. Like it or not, anyone searching for a topic in English with the word Switzerland in the search is likely to get a link to us. There's nothing wrong with having fresh "faces" arrive.

Regarding slammer - I, for one, appreciate when long-time members who have moved abroad come back and post once in a while. It's the human connections that give this place a different feel compared to other forums where I am a member. I don't see slammer's posts as gloom and doom. They're sometimes a reality check for people with rose-colored glasses who think that Switzerland is paved with gold and we're all millionaires with yachts.

OP, welcome to the Forum. Check out the links provided by Medea. We have many non-EU members here on EF. Some of them came with Swiss or EU spouses, but others have been able to secure jobs from abroad. Is it easy? Not really. But if you have the right skill set it may work out.

You're in IT, so do your research. Maybe that's why Richdog was so grumpy. Switzerland can be a great country to live and work in, but it does have downsides too.

Have you ever lived and worked abroad? If not, consider taking the position in the UK, even if it's not long-term. It offers the stability of staying with your present company and to return home, while at the same time exposing you to life in another country and culture.
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Re: Guidance needed-I am Indian Experienced IT professional

It will be very difficult to get an interview without an existing work permit.

The only type of company who will go to the trouble of hiring a non-EU is someone like Google but you would need to be a certain type of developer to make it to Google.

Another way to do it might be to work for an Indian company providing outsourcing to companies here in Switzerland. You can then come here and work on site but I am not sure if it can be long term.

A third way is to first go to the UK and work there and maybe then come here.

Honestly I would go work in the UK as an English speaking foreigner. It is much cheaper than CH to live in and you will have less of a culture shock there.
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There are quite a few Indian IT workers in Switzerland - about 1 in 200 people is Indian. Usually. they come in through the likes of InfoSys, TCS, and Tech Mahindra - I guess they manage to convince someone that there's no-one like their workers from Switzerland or the EU.

Some who are really skilled and smart stay long enough to get permanent residency. Often though, they're forced to relocate by their employer with not much notice. Work permit is tied to employer.
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so after few research I came to know that Switzerland is best country for pay and work life balance.
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If these 'few research' were virtual, i suggest you first come here and spend some time as a tourist.

During the same visit, nothing stops you from showing your CV to the innumerable placement agencies in the large cities - Zurich, geneva, Lausanne, Basel. You will get a first hand idea of exactly where you stand, rather than advice from anonymous people on a web forum.

Before everything else, please read carefully, the the thread on 'Permits'.

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Re: Guidance needed-I am Indian Experienced IT professional

Switzerland was a bad career choice, and not that much of a terrible time to have, also I certainly don´t hate the place. However I do tend to see things as they are in living-technicolour-red-in-tooth-and-nail-gory reality without the advantage of your rose tinted filter and I certainly don´t believe that a persons worth should be linked to the size of his bank account.
I don´t think that I am too far off the mark if I were to say that you have never experienced just how cold and nasty and how much of a daunting place CH can be as a foreigner without the comfy cushion of an expat´s contract, I could be wrong though.

Thing is you don´t have to scratch the glossy surface deep to get to the darker parts, but I suppose this is a truism you can apply to any money orientated society and not just in CH.
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Ha ha ha so you mean Switzerland is much costlier than LONDON right ?
Yes, that's what he meant. Housing can be cheaper in different parts of the country, but the major cities where you'd be looking for work, and Zürich in particular, will be roughly on a par with London; other cost of living factors, food in particular, are very much more expensive than in the UK.
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There are quite a few Indian IT workers in Switzerland - about 1 in 200 people is Indian. Usually. they come in through the likes of InfoSys, TCS, and Tech Mahindra - I guess they manage to convince someone that there's no-one like their workers from Switzerland or the EU.

Some who are really skilled and smart stay long enough to get permanent residency. Often though, they're forced to relocate by their employer with not much notice. Work permit is tied to employer.
They are all sent abroad by their employers on global assignments.
A local contract is a different story. In that case, it's much harder to get a permit.
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They are all sent abroad by their employers on global assignments.
I know that. I still don't get the grounds for them being granted permits (presumably B or L) when there are plenty of Swiss/EU workers with those skills (in my sector).
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The only type of company who will go to the trouble of hiring a non-EU is someone like Google but you would need to be a certain type of developer to make it to Google.

Another way to do it might be to work for an Indian company providing outsourcing to companies here in Switzerland. You can then come here and work on site but I am not sure if it can be long term.

A third way is to first go to the UK and work there and maybe then come here.
This.

The only Indian developer I know here works for Google. All the other Indian people I know are IT support, and they tend to be employed by whichever contractor is flavour of the year at the time. Currently, one of the contractors in favour is Cognizant. Many of the Indian employees only stay for 2yrs, and if their employer loses the contract, they can be sent home with only a couple of weeks notice.

Just picking up on the OP's comments on working in the UK, I've heard this a few times now from Indian friends in Zurich, and I don't understand where this idea comes from. If anything, it's far easier to assimilate in the UK because there's a huge number of Indian people already living there, and many of us grew up with Indian friends. I'm beginning to wonder if it's an idea put around by contractors to keep their staff loyal and mobile. It's far easier to secure new roles in the UK that would mean leaving the contractor that took you to the UK in the first place, and you'd likely be working alongside people of Indian ancestry who are 3rd or 4th generation British.
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I’m just chiming with everyone else here and can reiterate that your time and energy will be better utilised coming to CH via an employer that has Swiss clients. Alternatively, I would grab that UK opportunity with both hands first and see how that works out for you.

For Switzerland, it’s not worth the hassle as you have a lot of competing IT candidates looking for work as they’ve been laid off due to outsourcing to India.

I’m a British Citizen and was once planning to move to USA and all the recruitment consultants gave me the same advice I’m giving you now.
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I know quite a few developers from non-EU countries (i.e. who faced the same administrative obstacles, quotas etc as Indian citizens).
They were employed both by large and small companies. Actually the smaller companies also do employ non-Swiss, non-EU citizens. Every years thousands are hired, so don't be discouraged, do apply directly besides doing what the others have already advised.

I've seen two cases:

- a rich company is looking for the best, they set the bar very high and they have a well oiled apparatus to deal with permissions if there is still a quota available; that's the best case because they usually pay premium money.

- a company is advertising a engineering job for a salary that is not very competitive, and thus they have no problem demonstrating that there are no Swiss or EU citizens who would apply, and they hire someone from the rest of the world. The minus is the not so great salary.

As a rest of the world employee, one gets in most cases a B permit that is restricted to a given employment. A change of job requires overcoming the same process. Beware of so called L permit as not sure how it counts towards a better permit or a citizenship.

If one learns the local language to a B1 or higher level and has no history of unemployment in Switzerland, then with a good salary one might (but is not entitled to) get a C permit after 5 years, and that's a bit like US green card. Otherwise one has right to the C permit after 10 years (under the condition of speaking the local language), so one's hands and permit are really tied with the same job for a long time. (citizens of some western countries like US, Canada etc have right to the C permit after 5 years).

Please review multiple threads on this forum about cost of living in Switzerland, because it is one of the highest in the world, so don't let the seemingly high salaries mislead you, especially if you were planning to bring your family with you.

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