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I am newly qualified in Istanbul Bar.I am thinking about studying the double degree master program in law in Zurich University.I am fluent in English and begginner in German.

But i am concerned that is it almost impossible to get a in-house legal job in my condition even after a master degree in Zurich university without bar exam? Even i study german one or two years during my master, i don't think it is enough to be fluent in German. Moreover, only english speaking employers should be very limited.

Whar are your opinions? If my master degree will be useless in Switzerland i would not want to put that much effort for nothing.

Thank you in advance.
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Old 16.01.2019, 14:45
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Are you even sure you could do a Masters in law here without having done a Bachelors in the subject first?
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Hello,

I am newly qualified in Istanbul Bar.I am thinking about studying the double degree master program in law in Zurich University.I am fluent in English and begginner in German.

But i am concerned that is it almost impossible to get a in-house legal job in my condition even after a master degree in Zurich university without bar exam? Even i study german one or two years during my master, i don't think it is enough to be fluent in German. Moreover, only english speaking employers should be very limited.

Whar are your opinions? If my master degree will be useless in Switzerland i would not want to put that much effort for nothing.

Thank you in advance.

It's about the same as me asking you whether i could do a Masters in Instanbul speaking only a little bit of Turkish but fluent in Greek !


What use are you going to be to any cabinet of lawyers if you can't speak a local language ?


Their are a lot of Englsih native speaking people here already who have permits to work.


You don't have a permit to work, you don't speak the language and studying here is far from free of charge !


Sorry to burst your bubble so early, but be a little realistic maybe
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Are you even sure you could do a Masters in law here without having done a Bachelors in the subject first?
Yes because i have a foreign bachelor which is also accepted by university of zurich.
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Old 16.01.2019, 19:56
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If you study law in Switzerland you won't be what most people think a lawyer is - for that you need bar admission. You will be a so-called Jurist, which doesn't translate really well.

Having a Masters degree and therefore being a Jurist should suffice to theoretically give you access to in-house legal jobs (such as legal counsel in large corporations), though you should be aware that even those jobs often go to people that have passed the bar.

Without being fluent in German, you are a less desirable candidate than others of course. There are certainly corporate legal jobs where you can get away without speaking German, but these are far and few between and typically very senior, and they still tend to go to people who have passed the bar.

While you may be able to pass the Masters degree with basic German only, there's no chance you can pass the bar without being fluent in German as obviously a large part of the job is understanding, interpreting and using the law, which won't be in English.

So why probably not a complete waste of time, I don't think it's the best path for you either.
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Hello,

I am newly qualified in Istanbul Bar.I am thinking about studying the double degree master program in law in Zurich University.I am fluent in English and begginner in German.

But i am concerned that is it almost impossible to get a in-house legal job in my condition even after a master degree in Zurich university without bar exam? Even i study german one or two years during my master, i don't think it is enough to be fluent in German. Moreover, only english speaking employers should be very limited.

Whar are your opinions? If my master degree will be useless in Switzerland i would not want to put that much effort for nothing.

Thank you in advance.

The other responses do not seem entirely founded.


It is possible for a foreign-qualified lawyer to find work in Switzerland either as in-house counsel or at a law firm - I personally know several cases, and they are not yet senior.


That being said: it is *very* hard. You will need to be very good, ideally have some connections, and be heavily specialised in something that is reasonably country-independent and in strong demand in Switzerland, eg. arbitration, international tax law etc.


Having a non-EFTA degree also means that you have no other choice but to pass a swiss bar or remain a jurist, and as others have pointed out that won't be easy.
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That being said: it is *very* hard. You will need to be very good, ideally have some connections, and be heavily specialised in something that is reasonably country-independent and in strong demand in Switzerland, eg. arbitration, international tax law etc.


Having a non-EFTA degree also means that you have no other choice but to pass a swiss bar or remain a jurist, and as others have pointed out that won't be easy.
Jep that, plus I'm adding M&A into the mix, I've seen a few foreign-educated (non-EU) lawyers in M&A. Some can get away with an LLM and no local bar admission, but yeah, extremely, extremely difficult. Local expectation and standard often is local Masters PLUS bar PLUS LLM...
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