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Salaries in Biopharma Manufacturing?

Hi All,

I have read pretty much every single thread on this forum wrt salaries and cost of living etc. It has been a great help really. What I am having trouble finding out though, is a realistic estimate of what is a competitive salary in Switzerland vs Ireland.

I have calculated that to live in Switzerland with my Wife and 2-year-old daughter, we will need about 4500-5000 CHF to cover all expenses that we could think of.

I have been told by HR that the salary would probably be around 80K CHF. With shift rate added on that's 104400 per annum. I have used the various salary/tax calcs online as referenced by the many threads on the forum and it seems I would be coming out with about 6500CHF. So it seems ok, but not great maybe - hard to tell without living there and really seeing what expenses turn out to be. Chances are they will be higher - maybe 5500 or 6000.

Anyway, I know these threads are annoying for people but I guess I just don't know who else to ask at this stage. It's hard to find info on Pharma - and even harder for Manufactuing operators!!
I've tried using a swiss government website that gave salary ranges based on experience etc and I came out with mixed results based on education and experience. I'm wondering if maybe someone with 4 years experience in Biopharma and some relevant third level education(although not a degree) would be worth more?

For reference and in the spirit of providing info for the forum and not just taking it - I earn 47K in the same position in Ireland, with 25% shift rate. I end up earning about 60K at the end of the year here, and can't really save anything - but maybe I'm just not great at saving.

Anyway - hopefully someone would have an idea, or maybe works in pharma in CH and might be able to say if it seems like a bottom of the range kind of offer or whatever.

My opinion - it seems better than my current situation, but possibly not overwhelmingly so. I think there would be room for negotiation but not sure.

Thanks to anyone that takes the time to reply.
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Re: Salaries in Biopharma Manufacturing?

CHF 5k monthly outgoings with a wife and a toddler seems frugal and leave little savings capacity.

Childcare at that age costs CHF2.5k per month for full-time alone.

If your wife can find work, this is doable.
Otherwise, you will be a bit tight and this is not the lifestyle you want if you come to CH.
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Re: Salaries in Biopharma Manufacturing?

My wife would plan to stay at home for the first year. She will look for work then. I know childcare is expensive but we will not need it so shouldn't be a factor. And if we do need it when she works then it will be ok.

Do you think 5000 is still a conservative estimate? Just considering the basics here including food, as we do now. We don't go out drinking or anything. Eat out rarely.

Thanks for your input
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Re: Salaries in Biopharma Manufacturing?

Depends hugely where you will be living and whether your wife will be able to work/stay at home and look after the little one (in which case you save on childcare).
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Re: Salaries in Biopharma Manufacturing?

Similar question discussed more recently

https://www.englishforum.ch/finance-...ad-plenty.html
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Re: Salaries in Biopharma Manufacturing?

have a look at the HSBC Expat Explorer



https://www.expatexplorer.hsbc.com/s...port_Final.pdf


Globally, expats have an average gross personal income each
year of just under USD100,000.
They earn on average 25% more
than they did at home. Indeed,
more than one in ten expats (14%)
say their income has doubled
since moving abroad.
Though Switzerland-based expats
earn an average of USD193,000,
around 54% higher than it had
been at home, the Gulf states
consistently top the list of
destinations for those seeking a
greater income."
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Re: Salaries in Biopharma Manufacturing?

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Depends hugely where you will be living and whether your wife will be able to work/stay at home and look after the little one (in which case you save on childcare).
As I said, my wife will be able to stay at home so childcare not an issue until she decides to take up work. When she does, then her extra salary will cover it.



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https://www.englishforum.ch/finance-...ad-plenty.html
Thanks - I did come across this one and it is very helpful in its similarity to my situation. I will have some more income to work with due to the shift rate.

[QUOTE=Dandy;3031652]have a look at the HSBC Expat Explorer..

Thanks, this looks interesting!
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Re: Salaries in Biopharma Manufacturing?

Overall if your wage is really gonna be 6,500.- regularly, if your wife stays home, if you guys are frugal, then yes.

But you did not tell us your age, if this would be a big company, what your wife can do for a living or where this would be.
She cannot just work when needed unless you are talking about being a cleaner or something manual. CH is extremely retarded when it comes to working mothers and your wife will be mother + you doing overtime (so not available to pick up the sick kids I the mind of the HR people) + foreigner (special bonus if she is not white).

Also, for housewives, CH can be tricky: they do not speak the language, the country is sparsely populated so everything takes longer to do, there are a lot fewer activities for stay-at-home mums than in big cities.
You need to ponder the life quality for her as well.
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Old 21.01.2019, 15:28
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CH is extremely retarded when it comes to working mothers and your wife will be mother + you doing overtime (so not available to pick up the sick kids I the mind of the HR people) + foreigner (special bonus if she is not white).

Also, for housewives, CH can be tricky: they do not speak the language, the country is sparsely populated so everything takes longer to do, there are a lot fewer activities for stay-at-home mums than in big cities.
You need to ponder the life quality for her as well.
Retarded? Interesting. Most (big) companies have regulations where parents can stay at home for so many days if a child is sick.

If you do not want to learn the language, your problem. There are a lot of activities also for people who do not yet speak the language. And depending on the permit OP gets, his wife may well be able to work.
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Re: Salaries in Biopharma Manufacturing?

Long discussion short: 100K a yr is easily enough for a family with 1 kid and everybody who tells otherwise really should work on their knowledge of Switzerland.

We currently do the same, we have a nice apartment in Zürich, don't look at the prices when shopping and have several holidays a yr
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Re: Salaries in Biopharma Manufacturing?

Really??


A nice 3-4 room apartment in Zurich starts at about 3K/month
so already 36K gone from 100K gross or 86K net.


Would be really interesting to see your budget...
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Re: Salaries in Biopharma Manufacturing?

100k for 3 people in Zurich is totally fine.

3k rent is not needed, lots of decent places available for 2-2.5k or less.

https://www.homegate.ch/rent/real-es...oplisting-desc
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Long discussion short: 100K a yr is easily enough for a family with 1 kid and everybody who tells otherwise really should work on their knowledge of Switzerland.

We currently do the same, we have a nice apartment in Zürich, don't look at the prices when shopping and have several holidays a yr
Enough with no childcare. Yes for sure.
Nursery is 2.5k a month
Kiga is free but the care after Kiga costs
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100k for 3 people in Zurich is totally fine.

3k rent is not needed, lots of decent places available for 2-2.5k or less.

https://www.homegate.ch/rent/real-es...oplisting-desc



And these rabbit hutches are "nice apartments" ? seriously?
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Re: Salaries in Biopharma Manufacturing?

Thanks for the comments guys.

To clarify my situation. I am Irish and my wife is Italian. The job would be with a large Pharmaceutical company. I would be living in Solothurn. Rent is about 1500-2000 by my searches. I pay 1100 for a 2 bed apt here lol.


I know that we will most likely be ok with the salary. I suppose my main question is - is the salary appropriate? I would know what's appropriate here in Ireland as I understand the industry and wages here etc, but in CH I am not so confident to be able to say "hmm, that's a little below average for my position, I should be getting 90 or 95" or whatever.

Does anyone have any idea?

Thanks for the discussion so far anyway!
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And these rabbit hutches are "nice apartments" ? seriously?
Yes.

Seriously.
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I suppose my main question is - is the salary appropriate? I would know what's appropriate here in Ireland as I understand the industry and wages here etc, but in CH I am not so confident to be able to say "hmm, that's a little below average for my position, I should be getting 90 or 95" or whatever.

Does anyone have any idea?

Thanks for the discussion so far anyway!
Hard to judge appropriateness without more details - seniority, title, etc. Plug in all the details here and you should be able to get a decent idea:

https://www.gate.bfs.admin.ch/salari...l#/calculation
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And these rabbit hutches are "nice apartments" ? seriously?
Rabbit hutches? Maybe you are accustomed to a certain degree of luxury in your accommodation that others are not?

Could you please name which one of the apartments provided here, you would describe as a rabbit hutch? I am genuinely curious. Thanks.

https://www.homegate.ch/rent/real-es...oplisting-desc
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Rabbit hutches? Maybe you are accustomed to a certain degree of luxury in your accommodation that others are not?

Could you please name which one of the apartments provided here, you would describe as a rabbit hutch? I am genuinely curious. Thanks.

https://www.homegate.ch/rent/real-es...oplisting-desc

I would say the first three in the list are rabbit hatches. The third looks quite nice from the outside but in the ad it says:


Der Besichtigungstermin findet wie geplant statt - ist jedoch AUSGEBUCHT.

Wir könnten keine weiteren Interessenten mehr berücksichtigen. Vielen Dank für Ihr Verständnis.


so no chance, already too many interested parties!


The one at



Bertastrasse 74

8003 Zürich



is in a nice rather quiet place but with

  • Living space 61 m2

too small for a family of 3


and with 2'450 CHF already rather expensive and if you want a car you must find a car park that will cost probably another 200 CHF/month.
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Re: Salaries in Biopharma Manufacturing?

OP could easily live outside of Zurich. Still good connections to Zurich and often lower rental rates.
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