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Potential employer ignored my reference reached out to their personal contact instead

I just found out a potential Swiss employer I had been talking to ignored the reference to my old job here in Switzerland I gave them and instead, reached out to a personal contact ex-collogue of mine they knew about me who in turn referred them to speak to someone else at my old work.

Wondering if this is legal as I know references are an interesting topic here in Switzerland, but I have never heard of this happening so blatantly (ignoring reference I gave, reaching out to ex-collogues instead through personal connections). Anyone know what I could do?
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Re: Potential employer ignored my reference reached out to their personal contact ins

Something similar happened to me only once in Switzerland, and I declined that job swiftly, as soon as I got wind of it. My logic: If a potential employer screws with me even before a contract is signed, it can only get worse, once you signed your life away to that employer.

If I were you, I'd proceed with caution.
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Sure it's legal and as you should know, Switzerland is very incestuous......
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Re: Potential employer ignored my reference reached out to their personal contact ins

What's the problem?

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What's the problem?

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Potentially everyone at the OP's current employer may know that the OP is looking to move to another job.
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LinkedIn is very incestuous.
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Re: Potential employer ignored my reference reached out to their personal contact ins

Which would you trust? A reference given by the candidate or a reference from somebody you know and trust?

Unless the comment was libellous you have no legal recourse. And proving that would be very difficult.

But it would be impossible to reverse the employers decision. Thats my opinion.
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Re: Potential employer ignored my reference reached out to their personal contact ins

Without reading the whole thread... It's not legal. Officially, references may only be obtained with the prospective employee's permission. So no, calling up a random personal contact that just happens to work in the same company while ignoring an approved contact person is not allowed. Not saying it never happens, it does all the time of course, but that doesn't make it any more legal And to be clear: it's part of data privacy laws.
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And to be clear: it's part of data privacy laws.
And your reference would be? Some obscure HR agency won't do, mind.
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You can't stop people talking to each other. Here, there or anywhere.

Refs should not be ignored, but can be balanced with other info. It certainly was the case in the UK too.
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And your reference would be? Some obscure HR agency won't do, mind.
will this do you?

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And your reference would be? Some obscure HR agency won't do, mind.
The question wasn't whether I agree or whether it happens I even said that of course obtaining informal references happens all the time. But that doesn't make it - strictly speaking - legal.

Personally, I think both the stupid written Zeugnisse as well as these type of verbal references are of no use and a complete waste of time.

That said, depending on who a prospective employer would contact at my company, they might well reach someone who hates my guts for some reason and no, it wouldn't be fair to make a hiring decision based on that. Plenty of people I've had conflicts with and, more importantly, plenty of people who literally cannot even remotely comment on my qualities or qualifications, so reaching out to some random - even if that person is generally trusted - isn't any more or less fair or objective than reaching out to someone who was approved by the applicant and is therefore someone they obviously liked and that liked them.
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Re: Potential employer ignored my reference reached out to their personal contact ins

Link to the appropriate Swiss law, please?

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Re: Potential employer ignored my reference reached out to their personal contact ins

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Something similar happened to me only once in Switzerland, and I declined that job swiftly, as soon as I got wind of it. My logic: If a potential employer screws with me even before a contract is signed, it can only get worse, once you signed your life away to that employer.

If I were you, I'd proceed with caution.

Unless you specifically asked to treat your application as confidential, I don't get how this is "screwing with you", if you apply for a job obviously the person hiring you has the right to find out what you are like at work, so if they know somebody who knows you why should they not ask them? (especially since the references you give yourself have very little information value since you are obviously going to name somebody who will give you a positive review)
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I just found out a potential Swiss employer I had been talking to ignored the reference to my old job here in Switzerland I gave them and instead, reached out to a personal contact ex-collogue of mine they knew about me who in turn referred them to speak to someone else at my old work.

Wondering if this is legal as I know references are an interesting topic here in Switzerland, but I have never heard of this happening so blatantly (ignoring reference I gave, reaching out to ex-collogues instead through personal connections). Anyone know what I could do?
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Something similar happened to me only once in Switzerland, and I declined that job swiftly, as soon as I got wind of it. My logic: If a potential employer screws with me even before a contract is signed, it can only get worse, once you signed your life away to that employer.

If I were you, I'd proceed with caution.
You two need to grow up! In the real world no one is going to stick their neck out for you without checking you out as best they can and that includes using their contacts. You can also expect that your future work colleagues will use their contacts to check you out once they hear you are joining them and that may also get back to your future employer as well.

You live by your reputation so take care of it because you canít control the situation, so take care of it.
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Re: Potential employer ignored my reference reached out to their personal contact ins

There is an anecdote doing the rounds about a guy who had fallen out with his boss and thus started to hunt around for greener pastures and started off by talking to a recruitment agency. They looked at his skill profile and said, we have the perfect job for you. So they set up a first interview and imagine the horror when he walked into the room and met his current boss.
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Once had a potential landlady phone around our neighbourhood asking our neighbours what we were like.
Nope, we didn't accept her offer.
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There is an anecdote doing the rounds about a guy who had fallen out with his boss and thus started to hunt around for greener pastures and started off by talking to a recruitment agency. They looked at his skill profile and said, we have the perfect job for you. So they set up a first interview and imagine the horror when he walked into the room and met his current boss.
Very dumb to let an agency send your CV to their client without requiring them to give you the name of the client.
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What if I gave Ueli Maureras a reference? SHould a prospective employer be compelled to check with him?

Are employers prohibited from checking linked-in, or twitter, or facebook?

Soon after I retired I went for a job interview. One of the questions I was asked is why I didnít appear to have a presence on social media. They looked.
No, the given references do not have to be used. But offered.

No, linked-in, twitter, facebook & Co are public and you posted the stuff. (Too bad for many )

That would be the case with me as well. I can easily "explain" why I'm not found on social media. Although, I wouldn't bother to, I don't feel obliged to be
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There is an anecdote doing the rounds about a guy who had fallen out with his boss and thus started to hunt around for greener pastures and started off by talking to a recruitment agency. They looked at his skill profile and said, we have the perfect job for you. So they set up a first interview and imagine the horror when he walked into the room and met his current boss.

This does not seem plausible. The agent would have the name of your current employer so he would be a total amateur to set you up for an interview with them. Also in most cases the agent will tell you who you will be interviewing for, so that you can prepare for the interview.
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