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No experience, 30y old. How hard would it be? -serious-

Let me start off with, due a rare disease i was sick from 18 to 26. Took my time to recover.
So yeah another IT topic. Dont reply if you want to troll.
As my previous statement says. Life was not so easy for me, went through a lot, and finally recover, did my bachelor and so on.

to the point. I lack of experience, lets say 0, in my recovery years i was living off from what i coded, it still pays my bills.

Where i live age is quite important, im from europe, but in switzerland i don't know if it would matter that much. Just be honest ill get the hit.

If it matters, I'm not choosing switzerland because of the salaries, but because of the quality of life and nature. Yup, at the end you really understand what matters the most.

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Re: No experience, 30y old. How hard would it be? -serious-

Might help if you can name your coding languages and skills.


In general I don't think it's a problem if you aim for startups and small companies and prepared to start with a low salary (like 70-80k)
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Old 06.02.2019, 20:13
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Re: No experience, 30y old. How hard would it be? -serious-

I agree.

It's not so much about what it says on your certificate as it is about what you can do when you're actually asked to code something.

Generally, programmers are in short supply. Whereas you probably can't go in with top demands concerning salary and such, I think you should be able to land a job. Then you can build up your experience and ask for a higher salary when the time comes.
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Re: No experience, 30y old. How hard would it be? -serious-

If you can show previous work which is of high enough quality than there are enough companies who don't care about your diploma's/certificates and if and where you worked before.
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Re: No experience, 30y old. How hard would it be? -serious-

I have 0 working experience.
My github has like 4 years of different projects/test and stuff.. nothing serious.
Maybe the biggest thing that i have is the project that is paying off my bills, but im not sure if sharing that would be a good idea. Im ready for the junior position though, not asking for more. Just wondering if age is a matter, which looks like it doesnt.
I know a bit of everything, but very basic. I mostly google till it works
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Re: No experience, 30y old. How hard would it be? -serious-

Seems like it was a stupid question. A hobby turned out into a vocation.
Been disqualified for being 30 from 2 offers. In my hometown
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https://swissdevjobs.ch
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Re: No experience, 30y old. How hard would it be? -serious-

You don‘t say much about what direction you want to take. I would suggest keep applying for software engineering jobs, particularly in places where you can use a variety of technology area as well as your programming languages - e.g. DB, networks, security.

If you are applying in Switzerland, outside of the banking world, pharma, Google, large international companies, unless you have local language skills it will be more difficult. Not impossible, but there will be others with the language skills who live locally in the front of the queue.

Recently, we went to a presentation at the local careers advice centre about education and training at secondary school level and beyond. The expectation is that many people will expect retrain midlife for a different career than the one they started on leaving formal education. I‘ve worked in IT for just under 30 years and met many who started in one profession (military, teaching, police, chemist) and moved over to IT in their later years.

The thing is to just keep applying - it isn‘t easy if you get lots of rejections. Get and entry level job and get some project experience under your belt.

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Re: No experience, 30y old. How hard would it be? -serious-

What is your Bachelor degree in?
What exact skills do you have (programming languages?, cloud infra?, etc)?


Overall if you will be seen as eager learner willing to really go through hoops and loops to gain experience and knowledge this could work.
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Old 07.02.2019, 11:39
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Re: No experience, 30y old. How hard would it be? -serious-

Bom dia!

So age: if you are in your 30's without any experience, it can be hard. The old joke that employers are looking for someone <25 years with at least 20 years of experience can be truer than one would like.

When doing your CV, if you have made any "biscates", include them. A little experience, even if not exactly on the salary side of things, can help.

You might offer yourself as a trainee, even though you have finished your degree. It's rather common in my field, among foreigners. It's a way of employers to pretty much abuse the system, and get cheap qualified labor, but once you hit the 2 years mark of experience, a lot more options will suddenly appear and you can get out of a slight precarious situation.

They won't look so much at your age, but the amount of experience.

As a side note: if you are a lady, you might encounter the silent discrimination of "no ladies in the ripe age of breeding, thank you very much". Might make the job search a bit harder.

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Re: No experience, 30y old. How hard would it be? -serious-

It might be a bit difficult. But if you just want a job in development... you can get one yesterday.

I've seen that the issue is with how many years of experience you have than your age. Many companies want blank pieces of paper (aged or not).
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The expectation is that many people will expect retrain midlife for a different career than the one they started on leaving formal education. I‘ve worked in IT for just under 30 years and met many who started in one profession (military, teaching, police, chemist) and moved over to IT in their later years.
I am one of them. Learning Python2 and soon 3, just to stay ahead of time. Free and paid resources are plenty so it should not be an excuse for one wishing to adapt or retrain.
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I am one of them. Learning Python2 and soon 3, just to stay ahead of time. Free and paid resources are plenty so it should not be an excuse for one wishing to adapt or retrain.


Did you teach yourself or did you do courses?


If you're a hobby programmer trying to go professional mid-life, I guess you either need some pretty nifty examples of your work that you can show off with, or a nice stack of course certificates.
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If you're a hobby programmer trying to go professional mid-life, I guess you either need some pretty nifty examples of your work that you can show off with, or a nice stack of course certificates.
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I am in compliance and I wish to learn more about data analysis. I believe the skill would be useful. I don't envisage myself changing career into IT but I would like to keep my options and mind open.
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I am one of them. Learning Python2 and soon 3, just to stay ahead of time. Free and paid resources are plenty so it should not be an excuse for one wishing to adapt or retrain.

Advice: there isn't much point in learning python2 and then 3 tbh.
I'd suggest to go for 3 from beginning.
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If you're a hobby programmer trying to go professional mid-life, I guess you either need some pretty nifty examples of your work that you can show off with, or a nice stack of course certificates.

That really depends, there is a big 'suction' on the market, if you as candidate aren't too picky and agree to take on a junior position mid-life then it should work. Also a internship as first step might be necessary (3-6 months).
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Might help if you can name your coding languages and skills.


In general I don't think it's a problem if you aim for startups and small companies and prepared to start with a low salary (like 70-80k)
I agree. OP should be also ready (prepared) to have a technical interview. I don't think age (when you're 30) is an issue, but lack of an adequate CV and experience with interviews...can be.
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That really depends, there is a big 'suction' on the market, if you as candidate aren't too picky and agree to take on a junior position mid-life then it should work. Also a internship as first step might be necessary (3-6 months).
Could you elaborate further? Meaning could an applicant, without a job experience in coding, apply for an entry-level coding position with just own coding work? What are employers looking for in an applicant at a junior level position?
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Could you elaborate further? Meaning could an applicant, without a job experience in coding, apply for an entry-level coding position with just own coding work? What are employers looking for in an applicant at a junior level position?

Absolutely, yes. This however won't be as easy as with formal work experience.


Having an off-work , private portfolio / experience shows good motivation and willingness to learn.


Also, sometimes as a start a internship (3-6) months can help big time - actually I know 2 cases personally of people who re-qualified (but pretty early age wise, below 30) into IT where they started with internship and then things took off.


In case of very junior / grad positions employers are looking (based on my own experience and experience from people I know) for: motivation, willingness to learn and expand, base knowledge, being open minded (to be able to fit the team).


Also, keep in mind that not every team / company is willing to get juniors as it needs to have a right setup.


Also one more note, more and more companies are looking into re-qualification programms like propulsion academy as source for their juniors.



*Disclaimer: I work in IT industry for ~12 years, I did NOT re-qualify. I do hire people (and have been in my last 3 jobs in CH)
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Absolutely, yes. This however won't be as easy as with formal work experience.


Having an off-work , private portfolio / experience shows good motivation and willingness to learn.


Also, sometimes as a start a internship (3-6) months can help big time - actually I know 2 cases personally of people who re-qualified (but pretty early age wise, below 30) into IT where they started with internship and then things took off.


In case of very junior / grad positions employers are looking (based on my own experience and experience from people I know) for: motivation, willingness to learn and expand, base knowledge, being open minded (to be able to fit the team).


Also, keep in mind that not every team / company is willing to get juniors as it needs to have a right setup.


Also one more note, more and more companies are looking into re-qualification programms like propulsion academy as source for their juniors.



*Disclaimer: I work in IT industry for ~12 years, I did NOT re-qualify. I do hire people (and have been in my last 3 jobs in CH)
A very interesting perspective, I must say. Here I am trying to retrain myself to reenter the job market. Due to budget, I have decided to learn Python online.
I do agree with you that most companies would prefer an applicant with a working knowledge of coding. I have looked at junior positions and most required prior experience.
As for internships, I believe most companies would rather young students. I could wrong. I hope I am wrong.

Retraining is the way to go. Regardless of which field one is in. I am in compliance and I wish to use coding skills (data analysis too) to learn more about financial and tech crime better.
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