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Old 14.02.2019, 13:31
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Registering with the RAV without prior contributions

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Is it possible for an EU citizen on a L-permit to register with the RAV/ORP without prior contributions, not to receive unemployment benefits, but to get an easier access to the job market?

I understand that to be considered for unemployment benefits, you must have contributed at least 12 months within the last 24 months of your registration. Are prior contributions required to get access to http://arbeit.swiss and possibly any job-seeking seminars?
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Old 14.02.2019, 20:14
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Re: Registering with the RAV without prior contributions

You should be able to register without any prior contributions in CH.
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Old 14.02.2019, 20:35
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Re: Registering with the RAV without prior contributions

Have you contributed in an EU country before coming to Switzerland?
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Old 14.02.2019, 20:50
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Re: Registering with the RAV without prior contributions

What easier access to the job market?

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Old 14.02.2019, 20:56
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What easier access to the job market?

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Probably means more extensive use of job search resources. When I was on the RAV we were actively encouraged to use them. They will also give you tips and advice, as well as tarting up your CV, if need be.

He can probably do all of that without having contributed.
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Old 14.02.2019, 21:28
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What easier access to the job market?

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In some industries with unemployment rates of over 8%*, employers now have an obligation to list jobs with the unemployment office before they go on the open market. However, it gives only a 5 day 'head start'. So I'm not sure how much advantage that really gives anyone.

*next year it will be any industry with a 5% unemployment rate.
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In some industries with unemployment rates of over 8%*, employers now have an obligation to list jobs with the unemployment office before they go on the open market. However, it gives only a 5 day 'head start'. So I'm not sure how much advantage that really gives anyone.

*next year it will be any industry with a 5% unemployment rate.
Which rate?

By one measure, unemplyment in TI is down from 3.7% to 3.3%, by another, it has gone from 5.8% to 6.7% (first is people registered at the RAV, the other is the true amount)

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Which rate?

By one measure, unemplyment in TI is down from 3.7% to 3.3%, by another, it has gone from 5.8% to 6.7% (first is people registered at the RAV, the other is the true amount)

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I understood it as the rate of unemployment in a given industry rather than the overall rate. Unemployment might be quite high in, say, hotel staff or radiographers but low in teachers or zoo keepers.
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Old 14.02.2019, 22:19
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Which rate?

By one measure, unemplyment in TI is down from 3.7% to 3.3%, by another, it has gone from 5.8% to 6.7% (first is people registered at the RAV, the other is the true amount)

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Would 'sector' work better for you than 'industry'?

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I understood it as the rate of unemployment in a given industry rather than the overall rate. Unemployment might be quite high in, say, hotel staff or radiographers but low in teachers or zoo keepers.
Thank you for translating for Tom.
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Old 18.02.2019, 12:07
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Re: Registering with the RAV without prior contributions

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Have you contributed in an EU country before coming to Switzerland?
There might be prior contributions to another EU country, I can ask the person in question to clarify it. Would this affect the process?
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Hi,

Is it possible for an EU citizen on a L-permit to register with the RAV/ORP without prior contributions, not to receive unemployment benefits, but to get an easier access to the job market?
So, I did that - got myself inscribed in the RAV even though I knew full well I wouldn't get any unemployment benefits, thinking they would help me finding a job.

OH BOY, WAS I WRONG!

The RAV is not there to help you find a job, but to police you in your job search. They don't have more jobs than what you find in jobs.ch, or monster.ch, or whatever platform your field uses. In fact, they had less options, most of those options where already on public platforms, and I still had to go through the bloody bureaucratic process of filling the 10 applications per month (during a period in my field where finding 2 options was a miracle). I had to deal with ignorant, xenophobic chauvinist bastards (though that is probably © of my then local RAV), though my advisor was nice enough in confessing she couldn't really help me (because they were there to help "those that really need help, not people with university degrees"). I made myself go through a bureaucratic nightmare for nothing.

If your friend cannot claim benefits, avoid the RAV. Check temporary job agencies, they will be more useful.
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Thanks everyone for the prior replies.


There might be prior contributions to another EU country, I can ask the person in question to clarify it. Would this affect the process?
Yes, as the contributions in an EU/EFTA country count in the calculation of what you get here in Switzerland. Those contributions have to be 'imported'.
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Re: Registering with the RAV without prior contributions

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The RAV is not there to help you find a job, but to police you in your job search.
The unemployment benefits you get paid come from an insurance company.


The RAV is there to reduce the amount of money the insurance company has to pay. They do not care whether you do not get paid because you found a job, or because you gave up looking and de-registered.


The RAV calls the job seekers clients, but the actual people they work for is the insurance company.


Regarding the OP, you must have 12 (13 ?) or more months of unemployment benefit contributions in the last 24 months to be able to apply.
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Re: Registering with the RAV without prior contributions

I hav ebeen on RAV in both Geneva and Zug and there is definitely a lot less "policing" in Zug than in Geneva. Your RAV experience will depend a lot on the personality of your adviser but you always need to be on your guard.
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