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Re: Move to Switzerland Versus Staying in the US

OP, where are you originally from? You might find CH extremely boring and people here unfriendly and cold. At least the Americans have that appearance of easy going, mostly welcoming people and "can do it" attitude. (I liked that the most)

Also, check out if you have a right to work here. I sensed an Eastern European nostalgic vibe in your posts, but I might be wrong...

Btw, if I were you, I'd stay put.
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OP, where are you originally from?

Also, check out if you have a right to work here. I sensed an Eastern European nostalgic vibe in your posts, but I might be wrong...
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much much different where i am from (greece)
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Re: Move to Switzerland Versus Staying in the US

OP, you have a non immigrant US visa (H1B) Were you to leave the US, you’d be treated as a non US person. So i’m reasonably sure you don’t have to deal with the US person abroad mess.

But I imagine that you’ll need to make a choice soon - H1B is good for only 6 years, or can you extend that further? It’s been a while since we lived in the US and dealt with that crap.

If your H1B is not extendable, then will you choose between adjustment to status for a green card, or move on?
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OP, where are you originally from? You might find CH extremely boring and people here unfriendly and cold. At least the Americans have that appearance of easy going, mostly welcoming people and "can do it" attitude. (I liked that the most)

Also, check out if you have a right to work here. I sensed an Eastern European nostalgic vibe in your posts, but I might be wrong...

Btw, if I were you, I'd stay put.
We are almost Greek, GM...

OP - I wouldn't leave the Bay. Switzerland is amazing, I save nothing (because I am not a big shot IT) and skiing is pricey here, etc. etc., but not sure where you are - I love and miss SF.

Edit - ok, well. Boonies off Mountain View. Move to SF? Napa.
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We are almost Greek, GM...

OP - I wouldn't leave the Bay. Switzerland is amazing, I save nothing (because I am not a big shot IT) and skiing is pricey here, etc. etc., but not sure where you are - I love and miss SF.

Edit - ok, well. Boonies off Mountain View. Move to SF? Napa.
I haven't read quite all the posts, mea culpa. It just seemed...familiar. I have a friend who wanted to return to "Europe", interviewed for a couple of companies here and decided to stay put. That was a few years ago but he's quite contented with the decision he took back then. I think they already applied for USA citizenship. I think OP has a solid situation over there that would be almost impossible to replicate here. Money wise. And if he finds that place boring...I really doubt he'll be completely satisfied here.
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Re: Move to Switzerland Versus Staying in the US

You are on H1B and switch jobs often but always choose one with short commute?
You must be a computer genius or a story teller. Cause H1B holders are always tied to the employer guarantor of the visa. Switching employers at will is not an option for H1B holders, as you not only have to find a new job but a new sponsor-employer, while your old employer would be inclined to sue you for breach of contract and intellectual property plus non-compete clause common in SV . If you were really making 350K you would stay with the same employer for 5 years and they would sponsor you to obtain a green card. Only green card holder can switch employers at will.
Your story has too many holes.
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You are on H1B and switch jobs often but always choose one with short commute?
You must be a computer genius or a story teller. Cause H1B holders are always tied to the employer guarantor of the visa. Switching employers at will is not an option for H1B holders, as you not only have to find a new job but a new sponsor-employer, while your old employer would be inclined to sue you for breach of contract and intellectual property plus non-compete clause common in SV . If you were really making 350K you would stay with the same employer for 5 years and they would sponsor you to obtain a green card. Only green card holder can switch employers at will.
Your story has too many holes.
I am assuming that you are not working in the US/bay, because you are mentioning things that are incorrect.

Switchin jobs on h1b is super easy, regardless of your genius status. Once you get through the interviews, your h1b switch is handled by lawyers and the whole process takes like 3 weeks. You just provide them with some paperwork that takes like 1-2 hours to gather and that is it.

I don't know where you got the sue thing from, maybe too many movies ? I guess you are comparing the US market with Europe? US employees are almost always employed at will and you can be fired or you can leave any day you want, no questions asked.

Another thing that you got wrong is that you do not have to stay with a company for 5 years to get a green card. Most will do it on completing your first year if you want to(at least in the bay). I haven't because I have been switching jobs a lot and I was contemplating moving out of the US, and thus I would lose the green card anyway. But I can still do it anytime if I decide to.
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Re: Move to Switzerland Versus Staying in the US

I know someone who just left Google Zurich. Typical income for a level 5 is about 300k, when including stock bonuses.

I have a feeling you just want to move cause the grass is greener.

But you won't beat 350k in google zurich until you reach level 6 or 7..
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I am assuming that you are not working in the US/bay, because you are mentioning things that are incorrect.

Switchin jobs on h1b is super easy, regardless of your genius status. Once you get through the interviews, your h1b switch is handled by lawyers and the whole process takes like 3 weeks. You just provide them with some paperwork that takes like 1-2 hours to gather and that is it.

I don't know where you got the sue thing from, maybe too many movies ? I guess you are comparing the US market with Europe? US employees are almost always employed at will and you can be fired or you can leave any day you want, no questions asked.

Another thing that you got wrong is that you do not have to stay with a company for 5 years to get a green card. Most will do it on completing your first year if you want to(at least in the bay). I haven't because I have been switching jobs a lot and I was contemplating moving out of the US, and thus I would lose the green card anyway. But I can still do it anytime if I decide to.
Once you have the H1b, you‘re not part of the cap that happens each year, and yes, if your employer is willing to hire you, then you can switch....just depends on them. In a competitive market with lots of flux, i can see this.

But is the H1B still 6 years max, or have they changed that. And once you apply for the green card, how long does it take? Used to be 2 years. You can file for advanced parole so you can travel outside while the GC is in process. And sure, companies with big pockets can hire immigration lawyers to handle all the bs filing.
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I know someone who just left Google Zurich. Typical income for a level 5 is about 300k, when including stock bonuses.

I have a feeling you just want to move cause the grass is greener.

But you won't beat 350k in google zurich until you reach level 6 or 7..
Do IT houses make stock grants as bonus nowadays or is it still good ol stock options? Cause if it is stock options there is no way you can exercise them if you are changing jobs often. Most options would not be fully vested until 3-5 years. Additionally, you have to be an exceptional asset for a company to look at your status and resume, realize instantly that you are a flight risk and then proceed to hire you anyway.
I used to ran outsourcing agency in NE (late 1990s and on) and in those days H1B to Green Card took 5 years. And non-compete clause was pretty strong in my contracts. Else why have H1b employees at all, if they could leave you in 6- to 12 months. It is bad for the agency it is even worse for the clients.
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Do IT houses make stock grants as bonus nowadays or is it still good ol stock options? Cause if it is stock options there is no way you can exercise them if you are changing jobs often. Most options would not be fully vested until 3-5 years. Additionally, you have to be an exceptional asset for a company to look at your status and resume, realize instantly that you are a flight risk and then proceed to hire you anyway.
I used to ran outsourcing agency in NE (late 1990s and on) and in those days H1B to Green Card took 5 years. And non-compete clause was pretty strong in my contracts. Else why have H1b employees at all, if they could leave you in 6- to 12 months. It is bad for the agency it is even worse for the clients.
When you say 5 years, do you mean 3 on the H1B and 2 for adjustment of status to Green Card. In 1998-2001 (before 9/11), it took a little over 2 years for an adjustment of status - along with the usual hijinx of the FBI/immigration folk as they lost various pieces of paper. Of course, now I assume more things are handled digitally.
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When you say 5 years, do you mean 3 on the H1B and 2 for adjustment of status to Green Card. In 1998-2001 (before 9/11), it took a little over 2 years for an adjustment of status - along with the usual hijinx of the FBI/immigration folk as they lost various pieces of paper. Of course, now I assume more things are handled digitally.
No, he's talking about a company saying we will give you $200,000 worth of stock units, but you get that spread out over 4-5 years. e.g. you get $10,000 every 3 months for 5 years.
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No, he's talking about a company saying we will give you $200,000 worth of stock units, but you get that spread out over 4-5 years. e.g. you get $10,000 every 3 months for 5 years.
No, that‘s a different issue. At the bottom he says H1B to green card is five years.
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Re: Move to Switzerland Versus Staying in the US

I'd love to visit the switzerland mentioned in this thread, obviously I'm in another Switzerland....

If I had a magic wand to magic back to the north bay, wanna guess what I'd do?
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No, that‘s a different issue. At the bottom he says H1B to green card is five years.
Ah, you're right, sorry I missed that.
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