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IT engineer with 20 years of experience - no chance when 5% skills lack

I am just annoyed how picky are the employers... how did you overcome of the same problem as I face with?

I am a contractor in my IT field since 20 years (10 years in Switzerland with couple of different clients with excellent references) and experiencing many times that the employers want someone with 110% coverage of their job spec. Even if I have proved x million times my ability to deliver solutions effectively, if I lack 5% of the job requirements (let's say a new framework, or similar, what i could learn in few days - at the end I am an IT engineer and have to do this daily once in a job...) I get no interview invitation because of that.

So it seems that even with 20 years of exp., recent certifications, strong specialisation in the field, the employers rather wait (even years) till they find a perfect candidate from all over the world... Classic chicken-egg problem: how can I have the needed, proven work experience (which should be confirmed by the references if they are asked) if I do not get a chance to work with that tool? I thought it is an issue only of a junior developers, but with 20 years of experience I used to fill already senior/architect roles... As only the real work experience helps here, the self-study,trainings, certifications would not help. Then what is the solution? The funny side of the story, that the employers are complaining that there are not enough skilled IT people...

How could a software developer settle down in Switzerland (buy house, establish family, etc), if our profession has so short lifetime and once there is no demand for our expertise? There is no chance to retrain us (and get a job in the new field). And all of this when you are a single earner supporting a family.

For such stupid situation I see only one stupid solution, but no idea how to achieve it: work for free for employers (during RAV time), switch among them frequently (maybe RAV can help here) and fill the little experience gaps to increase my chance the get interview invitations again.

IT guys, how do you overcome of the same issue when hunting for jobs? I am not in panic (yet ), just annoyed of the recurring, never ending situation, independently of how long I am in Switzerland or how many good recommendations I have...
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Old 23.02.2019, 15:36
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Re: IT engineer with 20 years of experience - no chance when 5% skills lack

You’re a contractor, it’s upto you to update your skills, if you want training on the latest tech the go permie, and be paid less. And stop moaning.
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You’re a contractor, it’s upto you to update your skills, if you want training on the latest tech the go permie, and be paid less. And stop moaning.
Yes, as last resort that is the plan. I am not sure though how easier will be to get hired as permie because of the same issue... I thought I could avoid exploiting the permament employers (I mean switch between them frequently in order to get experience), but rather get some support from RAV now by placing me for few weeks to different employers instead of sending me to useless (even professional) trainings...
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Old 23.02.2019, 16:32
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Yes, as last resort that is the plan. I am not sure though how easier will be to get hired as permie because of the same issue... I thought I could avoid exploiting the permament employers (I mean switch between them frequently in order to get experience), but rather get some support from RAV now by placing me for few weeks to different employers instead of sending me to useless (even professional) trainings...
The RAV will never find you a job unless you work as a kitchen porter or some other low paid job, they don't do placements at 10k a month.
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Old 23.02.2019, 16:43
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If I lack 5% of the job requirements (let's say a new framework, or similar, what i could learn in few days - at the end I am an IT engineer and have to do this daily once in a job...) I get no interview invitation because of that.
So instead of just telling them you have mastered it and quickly learn it in the days you have before a 1st talk, you apply to jobs where you don't fit the set out profile and hand in a resume which might be good but does give away you don't fit the demanded profile?

Thing is they want somebody who does the job, and not somebody who has to learn the job. Only if the 1st can't be found the second might become a consideration.

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You are a contractor, your training is your problem, don't expect the customer to pay for this, if you want that than stop contracting.
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Old 23.02.2019, 16:48
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Re: IT engineer with 20 years of experience - no chance when 5% skills lack

In my experience, if you're not getting interviews, there's something wrong with your CV. It might be that you only match 95% of the role specification, but it might be that that's just the excuse the agency/client give you.

Have you had a Swiss professional recruiter critique your CV?
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Old 23.02.2019, 17:10
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...if I lack 5% of the job requirements...I get no interview invitation because of that....
Is this what potential clients are telling you, or is this just a guess on your part? Is there a specific certification (or equivalent knowledge) that is continually being mentioned as lacking when you ask why you don't get an interview? If so, suck it up and do that training now.

How many jobs/contracts are you applying to vs. # of interviews in say, the last two months?
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Re: IT engineer with 20 years of experience - no chance when 5% skills lack

This is not about my lacking skills or knowledge because I could take those difficult exams (braindumps even do not exist for those...). For that I had to prepare a lot, try the given feature, and I am pretty confident that within few days (before the first work day) I could rebrush my skills on a very good level.

But I do not have a proven, real world working experience at a company few topics, this is the rejection reason of the client. And I do not see the solution for this. But doing any learning or certification will not help, this is clear, this is what I have done so far. Then what? I really appreciate your tips.

I think my CV is ok (agencies sometimes say "impressive", RAV says no need to change), I get enquiries regularly.

What frustrates me that I have to be passive on the job search by waiting for the right opportunity which matches 100% with my profile. In this case all the agencies call me and I can negotiate even better rates among them But I do not have control over it (apart from widen my job search geographically or target different sort of clients, doing direct calls, skipping the agencies, etc). It is just insane that because of the 5% missing work experience it is worth for the client to wait for months/years to find the ideal candidate.
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Old 23.02.2019, 19:25
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This is not about my lacking skills or knowledge because I could take those difficult exams (braindumps even do not exist for those...). For that I had to prepare a lot, try the given feature, and I am pretty confident that within few days (before the first work day) I could rebrush my skills on a very good level.

But I do not have a proven, real world working experience at a company few topics, this is the rejection reason of the client. And I do not see the solution for this. But doing any learning or certification will not help, this is clear, this is what I have done so far. Then what? I really appreciate your tips.

I think my CV is ok (agencies sometimes say "impressive", RAV says no need to change), I get enquiries regularly.

What frustrates me that I have to be passive on the job search by waiting for the right opportunity which matches 100% with my profile. In this case all the agencies call me and I can negotiate even better rates among them But I do not have control over it (apart from widen my job search geographically or target different sort of clients, doing direct calls, skipping the agencies, etc). It is just insane that because of the 5% missing work experience it is worth for the client to wait for months/years to find the ideal candidate.
As said before:

You are a contractor, you are hired for your existing skills and not for your ability to learn.
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Old 23.02.2019, 20:09
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Re: IT engineer with 20 years of experience - no chance when 5% skills lack

The fact that someone who has 20 years experience in IT factors the RAV as a significant factor in his work-life raises many red flags to me. CH right now has negative employment in IT, anyone who wants a job gets one with the bare minimum skills.


And here you are mentioning RAV as your source of employment ideas or asking questions about switching employers as permie to learn something.


Something does not add up. What exactly is your IT field? Programming and if yes which languages or in Support, Networks etc?
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Old 23.02.2019, 20:18
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The fact that someone who has 20 years experience in IT factors the RAV as a significant factor in his work-life raises many red flags to me. CH right now has negative employment in IT, anyone who wants a job gets one with the bare minimum skills.


And here you are mentioning RAV as your source of employment ideas or asking questions about switching employers as permie to learn something.


Something does not add up. What exactly is your IT field? Programming and if yes which languages or in Support, Networks etc?
Also this, good involved IT people only have to make it known that they are on the look-out for a change and offers flood in.
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Old 23.02.2019, 20:28
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The fact that someone who has 20 years experience in IT factors the RAV as a significant factor in his work-life raises many red flags to me. CH right now has negative employment in IT, anyone who wants a job gets one with the bare minimum skills.
Try finding something if you are about 50 and you'll find it is a very different situation.
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Old 23.02.2019, 20:57
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Re: IT engineer with 20 years of experience - no chance when 5% skills lack

The alternative is to lie, get the job and then see if you cut the ice. In that scenario you either can or you can´t.
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Re: IT engineer with 20 years of experience - no chance when 5% skills lack

Often it is not your skills and experience but your physical appearance that is relevant for the employer. Nowadays they think you do not fit in the team if you do not look like 25-35 year old hypster. They associate phyical appearance with mental capabilities. They also think that older people (and maybe somewhat overweight) are not flexible and agile enough. When I look at the mess that "agile doctrines" have created at my company I just want to cry.
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Old 23.02.2019, 21:16
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Often it is not your skills and experience but your physical appearance that is relevant for the employer. Nowadays they think you do not fit in the team if you do not look like 25-35 year old hypster. They associate phyical appearance with mental capabilities. They also think that older people (and maybe somewhat overweight) are not flexible and agile enough.
Fun, I´ll tell our contractors that on Monday (who seemed to have missed that )
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Re: IT engineer with 20 years of experience - no chance when 5% skills lack

So the OP should invest in a sleeve tattoo, a man-bun and a taste for cold-filtered coffee.

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Re: IT engineer with 20 years of experience - no chance when 5% skills lack

I call BS, I worked in 3 banks already here and grey hair contractors are common, new ones too. Just need to pass the interview and know our s**t which the OP clearly doesn't.


Getting a permie job above 50 is indeed hard but not the topic here.



OP what is your skillset?
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CH right now has negative employment in IT, anyone who wants a job gets one with the bare minimum skills.
I can tell you that is not the case.
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I can tell you that is not the case.
Correct, but replace "anyone" with "anyone with 20 yrs experience" (assuming the person kept updating his knowledge, and did not stop when he mastered to control a company's server running NT 4.0
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I can tell you that is not the case.
Anyone who knows Java/Scala/.NET can testify to that, literally anyone gets hired. The shortage of talent is unreal and I've seen the standards fall dramatically in the last 2 years.



If you are in networks, support etc then it's a different thing altogether.
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