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muthuselvi 03.03.2019 14:22

What are my chances of getting a job as a Senior developer ? What am I lacking?
 
Hi everyone,

I have a B permit and currently not working. I applied atleast 30 developer jobs so far and got only 2 interviews but rejected in both. I do not know German hence applied to English speaking jobs only. There is not much of technical questions, it was more like a conversation with a friend. I have a interview tomorrow and am so confused how to face it. What do swiss expect in an interview? How do they assess the applicant with a conversation ? Please share your tips to ace the interview

3Wishes 03.03.2019 14:25

Re: What are my chances of getting a job as a Senior developer ? What am I lacking?
 
You're here on a family reunification permit, right? Are you making it clear in your CV that you have a permit that allows you to work?

That should be right at the top, so the person reviewing CVs doesn't bin yours immediately due to you being non-EU. ;)

muthuselvi 03.03.2019 14:57

Re: What are my chances of getting a job as a Senior developer ? What am I lacking?
 
I clearly mentioned I have B permit in my personal information section.

EdwinNL 03.03.2019 16:00

Re: What are my chances of getting a job as a Senior developer ? What am I lacking?
 
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Originally Posted by muthuselvi (Post 3047245)
I clearly mentioned I have B permit in my personal information section.

B permit does not automatically mean that you are allowed to work, you have to be clear about this in your CV, companies don't like to have to ask if you even are allowed to work.

3Wishes 03.03.2019 16:21

Re: What are my chances of getting a job as a Senior developer ? What am I lacking?
 
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Originally Posted by EdwinNL (Post 3047259)
B permit does not automatically mean that you are allowed to work, you have to be clear about this in your CV, companies don't like to have to ask if you even are allowed to work.

Indeed. On my CV it said my nationality and then right underneath that "B permit familiennachzug mit erwerbstätigkeit"

Or something like that. I don't need a CV any more. :p Then in the covering letter I re-stated it in a sentence that I was here with full working privileges.

Also, while you are not working you should seriously consider taking German classes. It will open up the possibilities. :)

muthuselvi 03.03.2019 16:38

Re: What are my chances of getting a job as a Senior developer ? What am I lacking?
 
Ok . May be I have to add that in my cover letter. I believe that B permit means I can work.

I have a toddler and I don't have intensive German classes nearby. I can manage child care if I get a Job, but not now

NotAllThere 04.03.2019 08:44

Re: What are my chances of getting a job as a Senior developer ? What am I lacking?
 
Online courses. Books...

shackleford 04.03.2019 09:23

Re: What are my chances of getting a job as a Senior developer ? What am I lacking?
 
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Originally Posted by NotAllThere (Post 3047448)
Online courses. Books...

That's junior stuff.

roegner 04.03.2019 09:42

Re: What are my chances of getting a job as a Senior developer ? What am I lacking?
 
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Originally Posted by shackleford (Post 3047459)
That's junior stuff.


To learn a language? WTF?


How do you propose then to learn a language?

shackleford 04.03.2019 09:44

Re: What are my chances of getting a job as a Senior developer ? What am I lacking?
 
Yes, programing language proficiency is something I'd expect junior level developers to be mastering. Senior level is defiined more by soft skills, team work, deliviring projects, etc. Not by knowledge of the framework of the day

roegner 04.03.2019 09:52

Re: What are my chances of getting a job as a Senior developer ? What am I lacking?
 
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Originally Posted by shackleford (Post 3047469)
Yes, programing language proficiency is something I'd expect junior level developers to be mastering. Senior level is defiined more by soft skills, team work, deliviring projects, etc. Not by knowledge of the framework of the day


We were talking about learning German......

muthuselvi 07.03.2019 18:34

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Originally Posted by shackleford (Post 3047469)
Yes, programing language proficiency is something I'd expect junior level developers to be mastering. Senior level is defiined more by soft skills, team work, deliviring projects, etc. Not by knowledge of the framework of the day

But how do they judge it by my CV, i get rejected without even an interview

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Originally Posted by muthuselvi (Post 3047228)
Hi everyone,

I have a B permit and currently not working. I applied atleast 30 developer jobs so far and got only 2 interviews but rejected in both. I do not know German hence applied to English speaking jobs only. There is not much of technical questions, it was more like a conversation with a friend. I have a interview tomorrow and am so confused how to face it. What do swiss expect in an interview? How do they assess the applicant with a conversation ? Please share your tips to ace the interview

My interview went good. But I got 4 rejected mails this week, without interview.

The position which I got interviewed and rejected on January 2019 is still open . How long do they take to fill a position?

Village Idiot 07.03.2019 18:45

Re: What are my chances of getting a job as a Senior developer ? What am I lacking?
 
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Originally Posted by muthuselvi (Post 3048749)
My interview went good. But I got 4 rejected mails this week, without interview.

The position which I got interviewed and rejected on January 2019 is still open . How long do they take to fill a position?


Most positions that are advertised get quite a few applications (sometimes hundreds) and in coming to their shortlist, even qualified candidates can be turned down without an interview. I wouldn't take it personally, and don't get too discouraged if it happens more often than you're used to.


The other thing about Switzerland, at least in my experience, is that the process moves exceptionally slowly compared to other places. You can count on several rounds of interviews (I had 13 different interviews for my first position in Switzerland) and the time from sending in an application to having a signed employment contract in your hand can easily be six months. Then, having made you wait six months, they'll want you to start ASAP. :rolleyes:

robBob 07.03.2019 18:51

Re: What are my chances of getting a job as a Senior developer ? What am I lacking?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by muthuselvi (Post 3048749)
My interview went good. But I got 4 rejected mails this week, without interview.

The position which I got interviewed and rejected on January 2019 is still open . How long do they take to fill a position?


It could be that they are not really looking but just going through the process in that eternal search for that one perfect candidate of their dreams. Keep in mind the Swiss can be rather conservative, even in this day and age. Partly because their own jobs may be on the line if they get the wrong guy in. So they much rather, play it safe, not get a project done and say no ideal candidate could be found. Then again there are companies that just advertise to present a good image to potential customers and investors and if top gun should happen to come along then he or she just might have a chance. So don't fret it. Hang in there and learn some German. Can only help! ;)

Kedi 11.03.2019 18:53

Re: What are my chances of getting a job as a Senior developer ? What am I lacking?
 
OP, first, do not be discouraged. 2 interviews out of 30 applications are not bad at all. People send 100 applications without getting a single interview.

Secondly, your question about not getting technical questions: I experienced this maybe in half of the interviews I have done and I am bewildered as well. Interestingly, whenever I had such an interview, I never got the job :) In such an interview I would make sure I come across confident but not overly-confident. State what you have done so far in a confident manner but be truthful about what you don't know.

If you had a career break because of your child and get questions abou that be concise and say you are eager to get back to work.

I find that it is difficult to get your first job in CH. Being from India, a woman and a mother are further disadvantages. Some might deny it but this is the truth but there are people out there who will hire us :)

Be patient, brush up on technical knowledge and don't be discouraged.

Good luck.

muthuselvi 11.03.2019 19:48

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Originally Posted by Village Idiot (Post 3048752)
Most positions that are advertised get quite a few applications (sometimes hundreds) and in coming to their shortlist, even qualified candidates can be turned down without an interview. I wouldn't take it personally, and don't get too discouraged if it happens more often than you're used to.


The other thing about Switzerland, at least in my experience, is that the process moves exceptionally slowly compared to other places. You can count on several rounds of interviews (I had 13 different interviews for my first position in Switzerland) and the time from sending in an application to having a signed employment contract in your hand can easily be six months. Then, having made you wait six months, they'll want you to start ASAP. :rolleyes:

True that they take lot of time.

Quote:

Originally Posted by robBob (Post 3048755)
It could be that they are not really looking but just going through the process in that eternal search for that one perfect candidate of their dreams. Keep in mind the Swiss can be rather conservative, even in this day and age. Partly because their own jobs may be on the line if they get the wrong guy in. So they much rather, play it safe, not get a project done and say no ideal candidate could be found. Then again there are companies that just advertise to present a good image to potential customers and investors and if top gun should happen to come along then he or she just might have a chance. So don't fret it. Hang in there and learn some German. Can only help! ;)

Sure, I am planning to learn German

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Originally Posted by Kedi (Post 3050222)
OP, first, do not be discouraged. 2 interviews out of 30 applications are not bad at all. People send 100 applications without getting a single interview.

Secondly, your question about not getting technical questions: I experienced this maybe in half of the interviews I have done and I am bewildered as well. Interestingly, whenever I had such an interview, I never got the job :) In such an interview I would make sure I come across confident but not overly-confident. State what you have done so far in a confident manner but be truthful about what you don't know.

If you had a career break because of your child and get questions abou that be concise and say you are eager to get back to work.

I find that it is difficult to get your first job in CH. Being from India, a woman and a mother are further disadvantages. Some might deny it but this is the truth but there are people out there who will hire us :)

Be patient, brush up on technical knowledge and don't be discouraged.

Good luck.

Thank you so much kedi. I will keep trying

I have flunked the interview which I have mentioned in the original post. Thank you everyone for the nice words. I am going to keep trying.

IamMG 13.03.2019 00:56

Re: What are my chances of getting a job as a Senior developer ? What am I lacking?
 
2 out of 30 is not bad. Most of the times CVs are machine scanned and with some pragmatic comparisons, you get that beautiful message "We regret to inform you that***"

Dont take those messages or rejections seriously. Just move on.

Keep applying and your day is not far.

In the mean time, try and get some certifications in your area as I heard certificates here are taken seriously.

Good luck.


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