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Re: RAV in ZH how to take full advantage of it?

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Nothing, but you will need to continue searching for a job and going to monthly RAV meetings if you want them to top up your pay.

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He won't have to go to meetings if working, depends if it is a temporary or a permanent job where the RAV have agreed to the top up.
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Re: RAV in ZH how to take full advantage of it?

I wonder why the OP wants us to pay for his leisure, for that is what we are doing via the taxes most hardworking and honest people pay.

So he feels he's paid this money and wants it back? Will he also smash his car, or burn down his home, in order to get value from the premiums he's paid.

We all pay so that the genuinely unemployed have a cushion to fall on, not for some scrounger to sponge off the state because he feels like a prolonged holiday and taking it easy. If people did not sponge we would all pay less in premiums.

If he wants to take it easy fine, but not at my expense!
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Re: RAV in ZH how to take full advantage of it?

So there's an easy and obvious fix to this as I suggested in my previous post - reduce benefits according to one's net worth. The government for whatever reason did not implement this. And I don't feel like leaving easy 250k on the table, that's all there is to it.


If you have a swiss passport, please go complain to your elected representative about this problem, and if not, bug off.
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Old 04.03.2019, 12:29
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We all pay so that the genuinely unemployed have a cushion to fall on, not for some scrounger to sponge off the state because he feels like a prolonged holiday and taking it easy. If people did not sponge we would all pay less in premiums.

This of course is a logical view if you're working in nice job for a good boss.

If however you have a job where you are being unjustly tread, exploited and then fired with a false reason, then you're going to want to screw the system for all it's worth.

Only when something like this happens to you yourself do you know how you respond. Sitting on a high horse is easy if it's never happened to you.
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Re: RAV in ZH how to take full advantage of it?

This ladies and gentleman is a text book case that explains why many Swiss people dislike foreigners!!
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This of course is a logical view if you're working in nice job for a good boss.

If however you have a job where you are being unjustly tread, exploited and then fired with a false reason, then you're going to want to screw the system for all it's worth.

Only when something like this happens to you yourself do you know how you respond. Sitting on a high horse is easy if it's never happened to you.
That is exactly what happened to me.

The view is lovely from up here.

... and Shackleford is still trolling us - very successfully, apparently.
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This ladies and gentleman is a text book case that explains why many Swiss people dislike foreigners!!
Nah. Someone who dislikes foreigners does so because they are a dick.
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So there's an easy and obvious fix to this as I suggested in my previous post - reduce benefits according to one's net worth. The government for whatever reason did not implement this. And I don't feel like leaving easy 250k on the table, that's all there is to it.
So, means testing? An intriguing notion. Tell us more.
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This ladies and gentleman is a text book case that explains why many Swiss people dislike foreigners!!
No, this is why people don't like people who are trying to take an advantage of a system that's meant to help.

I don't see much difference from going and stealing flowers that are being sold at road side because - if they wouldn't want them stolen they should have not let people pay for them without someone watching the place.
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Hi all, I'm feeling burned out from my high stakes tech job in Zurich, probably will get PIP'ed out after next review. I saved more than enough after years of working here and financially stable, but don't want to leave off the table some extra 200k-300k that I understand I could get from unemployment insurance (RAV) over the next two years.
You're like a guy who has been paying house insurance and now trying to get his money's worth by putting the house on fire.

Here's how I think it's going to go. If you won't get the jobs where you're qualified, they will reduce your benefits. And if you do get a job and don't perform then you will only receive 70% of that job's salary, not your original surely better paid job.
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Here's how I think it's going to go. If you won't get the jobs where you're qualified, they will reduce your benefits. And if you do get a job and don't perform then you will only receive 70% of that job's salary, not your original surely better paid job.
Nope, that's not how it works.

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I don't want to just let off go of this 300k carrot the government is waving in front of my face.
200k if you are over 55, otherwise 150k.

Where do you get 300k?

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So there's an easy and obvious fix to this as I suggested in my previous post - reduce benefits according to one's net worth.
They do, sort of. The higher your salary, the more the initial penalty days.

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... and Shackleford is still trolling us - very successfully, apparently.
Yep, trolling on EF seems to be very easy and effective when using the right words.
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Why not?

Because you are a twat
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I paid good chunk of money over my career for ALV and want to get my money's worth before retiring from work.
It is an insurance, a shared risk and you do not pay nearly enough into the system to be entitled to a pay back!

The RAV case officers are all too familiar with the likes of you and they have the time to concentrate in investigate your claims. They will contact your former employers to find out the reasons for your dismal and if they conclude that you were simply not trying to hold on to the job they will pull the plug on you. They will check with companies you applied to, to see if you made a genuine effort to get a job etc...

They have a lot more experience of playing the game than you have, you will loose.
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So, still final question about doing TA job during PhD. This is something I'm seriously considering and it's net positive to society (unlike me slacking off at random jobs just to milk the system). Will RAV consider it a real job and top up my pay for 2 years? Despite the huge difference in pay? Anyone has experience with it?


As a PhD candidate - you’re registered as a student. Thus you’re not entitled to RAV, working as a TA or not. And one doesn’t do a PhD to bide time. You have to apply for a position, find a supervisor, and most importantly, make a significant contribution to your field and accelerate the research of your university.

If I was a supervisor potentially considering a new student - especially one coming from industry - I would also hopefully read this forum. It reveals that you’d prefer to troll people rather than do some fairly simple research into two very well governed institutions - the Swiss unemployment system and universities. Fat chance doing a PhD with that approach.

Why don’t you simplify your life and just call the RAV and ask these questions ? I’m sure it would go down well. Just remember to update us with your findings.
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Re: RAV in ZH how to take full advantage of it?

OP - Don't let all these haters pull you down... My neighbor is a multi-millionaire and she is on the RAV... She's got her own council flat and three kids and she's only nine...


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It's just human nature, you know. And the government's got the money, let's not pretend like it's really coming from your pocket.
actually no, it's YOUR nature, but not that of everyone. I'm by no means a saint, but I can safely say I would never do what you intend to do.

That said, I, too, know people who've abused the system to take a paid vacation. But I also know plenty of people that never went to RAV despite prolonged periods of unemployment and a genuine desire to find work, and all those could've really needed that safety net as they didn't exactly swim in money.

At the end of the day it's people like you that put a strain and potentially destroy the very essence of a social welfare system and safety net for anyone who REALLY needs it.

Also, where for eff's sake do you think ANY government has any money from? You think that magically grows on a tree somewhere in the backyard of the Bundeshaus?

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Re: RAV in ZH how to take full advantage of it?

Ehm, the Arbeitslosenkasse is an insurance that makes a profit. So next to all the bla bla about welfaresystem it has a CEO who probably earns a fat bonus check every time he announces a profit. Anything welfare state related should not be for profit. People with a right to support but are not applying for ALK are hurting themselves while at the same time giving the big insurance company with the fat CEO more money.


Now this does not mean of course that you should bend the rules, to commit insurance fraud. Just that when you honestly have a right to it, you ask for it. Because next to all the ranting and 'ill make them pay' etc from the OP, he was/will be genuinely fired.



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