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Re: Wildlife Biologist wants to know - are there jobs?

Update: I went to biz Oerlikon (Dorflistrasse 120, 8050 Zurich) during their opening hours for migrants (12:00-14:00 Tuesdays) for a free 15min chat. The lady was super nice and spoke English, but sadly didn't know much about what I needed to be a ranger/wildlife officer or anything about courses in these areas. She printed out a few pages of job links, course websites and German courses for me. She recommended an App called Yooture, it's a Swiss job app that connects with your LinkedIn and suggests job ads to you based on keywords in your profile - it's pretty good! They have a free library there with prospectus and such, but all in German.

We arranged a career appointment (80CHF) to discuss my CV, applying to Swiss jobs, looking into further courses or doing a PhD and about what my options are while here. This is a helpful service, but they don't know much about wildlife biology as most clients are in business, accounting, marketing, etc. She has emailed me since and is doing some research before our meeting. I'd recommend this service to others in my position.
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Re: Wildlife Biologist wants to know - are there jobs?

If you are considering a PhD in Switzerland - it is common for students to be paid 35-45k per year. Would that fit into your financial plans for the next 4 years?

If zoos are of interest to you it could be possible to build a research project that at least associates with zoos, or even zoos in developing nations as you mentioned Thailand.

Depending on your citizenship and residency criteria, there are several grant programmes you could look into with a proposed supervisor from the universities: like the EC Marie Curie, ERC grants, etc. Did you publish your master's work?

I would argue the trends in the academic side of conservation with aims at employ-ability are best tackled by combining conservation biology (or ecology) with second disciplines (computers, policy, genetics, molecular ecology, ecotox, law, communications/outreach, robotics?, urban ecology). You can get as creative as you like, the joys of academia. But if birds are your one and only thing there is still hope - although most public science needs to demonstrate relevance and meaning for society (or at least tax payers). So you have to be persuasive.

It'd be awesome to look at bird impacts on warming alpine lakes and birds as vectors for nutrients, emergent pollutants, and invertebrate species, in remote alpine lakes. I mention these as they are ones I talk about but have no active projects.

Working in a specialised field, where jobs commonly dont exist, and must be created, takes a lot of focus, effort and luck. You are essentially a one-person business in a small market. It sounds like you have a lot of background established and are putting in constructive energy. I recommend that you keep pushing and expanding your network to prepare to exploit the right opportunity when it comes along. That said you do need earnings. If you do not find an opportunity in your area and need to work elsewhere you should maintain some of the momentum you have built so you can chase it and be poised to transition over.

Feel free to message me if you have thoughts/comments
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Re: Wildlife Biologist wants to know - are there jobs?

Just got a Lyme disease rash after being bitten by a tick which prompted the idea:
Tick bites on the increase in Switzerland
Swiss farmers get subsidies to keep the meadows long without cutting until the middle of the summer.
Long grass means the field mice thrive and help the tick population explode.
The mice can hide better in the grass which means the buzzards get less to eat.
Buzzard populations should be an inverse indicator of tick populations:
Good project for an avian biologist
Good reason to build more golf courses
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Useful insight!
Thank you for this post, it's been very helpful. I agree with you on the interdisciplinary approach; I'm particularly interested in ecotox, human-wildlife conflicts and veterinary/captive bird management. So, I've also been trying to discuss research options with zoos/sanctuaries/NGOs/etc in a general way (i.e. is that something they do or are interested in, what unis do they work with, etc) but also in a serious way (e.g. speaking to them about new projects or issues they're having, bringing up my experience with X or Y and how I could help with that project/issue, in a volunteer capacity or at a research level or at staff level, effing anything really) and, unsurprisingly, have been shot down very quickly. The impression I got was that I need to approach them with funding already in hand and a supervisor lined up in order to get anywhere. Strong feeling that my business cards went in the trash.

Regrettably, I was unable to publish the work I did for my MSc; I signed a confidentiality agreement, my data were sensitive, the topic controversial and censorship is still a thing. A learning experience, eh? A lack of authorship means I'm not as competitive when it comes to securing funding or even open PhD positions.

After 226 job applications (received 23 replies) since arriving here, I have finally got an interview this week. I'm very excited for the opportunity, just feel so happy to get an interview!!!! Woo! It's only a temp role for three months, but I've been studying hard for the interview, not sleeping very much and expecting the worst, but still! Woo!

As they like to give you time to think about what you want from the consultation, I have my meeting with the career advice centre (biz Oerlikon) this week. I hope to chat to them about PhD funding options, among other things. I'll update this thread with any info I get that may be helpful to others.
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Re: Wildlife Biologist wants to know - are there jobs?

Biz Oerlikon update: 80CHF for a career counselling appointment. The counsellor did a great deal of research prior to our meeting and had a lot of links for me. Sadly, much of this was not new to me.

She explained the Swiss education system to me, which was very helpful. She said Swiss employers have a hard time understanding foreign degrees, often not being able to easily tell if you did a practical or theory-based course. She strongly recommended further studies in Switzerland, such as another Master's at ZHAW. I'm not sold on the idea. Her reasoning was that I'd have a qualification that could be easily understood here and she said many expats she spoke to continued their education once they arrived here. With 6yrs of university already under my belt, I'm only interested in a PhD or perhaps short courses in ecological topics but I cannot find any offered in English. I could wait til I've the required B2 but that could take a year or more. Plus, I need earnings. ASAP. I would likely find it just as difficult to get a job, regardless of a short course or if only looking at part-time student work.

On that note, she had no idea about applying for PhD funding in Switzerland. In fact, on explaining the system of independent PhD development and self-funding via institutions/grants she said this wasn't possible in Switzerland! She said either the university pays you or you have a 50% job that pays for the PhD, that's it.

The appointment itself was officially an hour, but she went over time by 40 or so minutes. She could see I was trying hard and she wanted to help me out. It's definitely a useful service and I'd recommend it. Even just for someone to talk to about the situation you find yourself in. It's good to have someone cheer you on

PS my first interview in Switzerland went well, I think. It was a trail day at the job, which I'd never done anything like before. I definitely do better at this style of interview in contrast to the traditional format.
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Re: Wildlife Biologist wants to know - are there jobs?

I had an interview on Tuesday with Vogelwarte and was hired on the spot!!!!!! It's only a 3 month contract, but hopefully it'll be the springboard I need.

Tips for applying for ecological jobs in CH;
- Send in a CV spontaneously. Many companies hold on to these spontaneous applications and refer to them first when new positions pop up. This is what happened to me; I sent in a speculative application and a week later had a job!
- Most places have no idea how to hire non-Swiss people. Outside the typical "foreigner jobs" like banking, IT, etc, it's rare to hire a non-permanent resident. Make sure you've spoken to immigration, understand how your permit works, understand how the tax will work and know what documents to have for the employer. Being able to reassure the potential employer of your employment status is integral!
- Even if you don't fit all the requirements, apply. The job that I have now, I actually saw advertised and didn't consider it as it required French and first aid, which I don't have. Yet, here I am!
- Be willing to travel, be willing to compromise, be positive and enthusiastic. It took me ~260 job applications, but I got there
- Volunteer/odd jobs while jobseeking. The fact that I volunteered in Switzerland in areas relevant to my qualifications/career path and was able to generate Swiss references through that really helped me out. Having a Swiss reference will really help you out. You should also try to set up little side gigs for yourself, like giving guitar lessons or teaching English.

Hope my thread helps future biologists in my position. Good luck!
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Re: Wildlife Biologist wants to know - are there jobs?

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I had an interview on Tuesday with Vogelwarte and was hired on the spot!!!!!!
Congratulations!

Wonderful news - here's to exciting times ahead.
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I have been following your thread. Great news. Congratulations and fingers crossed for a longer gig afterwards.
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Old 21.07.2019, 12:57
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What a weird idea to let students choose their field based on their interests!

I think universities should just be open about the job outlook. I know that mine told the architects on their first day that more than half of the ones who manage to graduate wont find a job.

Personally do I know a whole bunch of marine biologists as many seem to end up working on the touristic dive boats I spend my vacations on. Not sure what their land based counterparts do...
Mostly the end up in marine labs or join the coast guard.
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I am trying to land a job in Zurich. I am living in EU country and have plenty of relevant experience and yet each application gets autorejected even junior roles that don't even require experience. At the same time I am getting multiple offers in London and other top cities (thro headhunters) using the exact same resume and application files. Why is that? Is Zurich job market so competitive or they just prefer locals?
The fields I am in are actuarial/data science with strong background on stats and actuarial modeling (mostly coding).
I don't know local languages tho, but I am applying english offers that don't mention language requirement. Any tips?
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Old 16.08.2019, 17:20
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Re: Specialists not needed in Zurich?

You live in an EU country but do you have an EU passport?

A lot of companies here do not want to go through the procedure of hiring non EU when there are quite a lot of qualified EU and Swiss people they can easily hire.
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You live in an EU country but do you have an EU passport?

A lot of companies here do not want to go through the procedure of hiring non EU when there are quite a lot of qualified EU and Swiss people they can easily hire.
I do have everything needed. I am Polish citizen.
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Old 16.08.2019, 17:35
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...or they just prefer locals?
By law, Swiss employers must give preference to Swiss people and EU citizens and to those people who are already living here with a permit.

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I don't know local languages tho, but I am applying english offers that don't mention language requirement.
Any tips?
Yes.
  1. If you are EU, then definitely state that clearly right at the top of your application.
  2. If you are not EU, then become a specialist of an aspect of your field that is highly sought-after, so that it might be worth the effort for a company to prove that the could not find a Swiss citizen, an EU citizen or someone already living in Switzerland, who could fill their post.
  3. Network through all the contacts you have/had and could build.
  4. https://www.englishforum.ch/3081970-post10.html
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I don't know local languages tho, but I am applying english offers that don't mention language requirement. Any tips?
Learn the local languages.

In 33 years here, I've never worked in an English language environment.

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Re: Specialists not needed in Zurich?

In your other post you mention you have 2 years of experience. That's not necessarily "specialist" level. If you're getting job offers in London and elsewhere, do consider them instead of turning everything down for some golden goose you think is in Switzerland. More experience always looks good on your CV.
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Learn the local languages.

In 33 years here, I've never worked in an English language environment.

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In half as long here, I've never worked in a German language environment (nor French, Italian or Romansch).
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In half as long here, I've never worked in a German language environment (nor French, Italian or Romansch).
Personally knowing the local lingo has definitely helpe on several occasions.

As for the OP I would recommend trying Cognizant. https://www.cognizant.com/en-ch/

They have several Poles working at the BIG banks.
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Re: Specialists not needed in Zurich?

Maybe you not so specialist as you think
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Re: Specialists not needed in Zurich?

Are you making sure to tailor your c.v. and application letter to the specific needs of the potential employer?

You are not alone in having some qualification, and still finding it hard to fine employment. You might find some tips in these threads along similar lines to your question.

https://www.englishforum.ch/employme...itzerland.html
https://www.englishforum.ch/employme...-find-job.html
https://www.englishforum.ch/employme...ut-no-job.html
https://www.englishforum.ch/employme...ot-enough.html
and also parts of this rather long (and not always friendly) thread:
https://www.englishforum.ch/daily-li...ase-pm-me.html

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I am trying to land a job in Zurich. I am living in EU country and have plenty of relevant experience and yet each application gets autorejected even junior roles that don't even require experience. At the same time I am getting multiple offers in London and other top cities (thro headhunters) using the exact same resume and application files. Why is that? Is Zurich job market so competitive or they just prefer locals?
The fields I am in are actuarial/data science with strong background on stats and actuarial modeling (mostly coding).
I don't know local languages tho, but I am applying english offers that don't mention language requirement. Any tips?
Yes but two years experience (according to one of your other posts) does not make you a specialist, it makes you an entry level candidate in the queue behind all the other entry level candidates with local language skills.

As for these other offers, have you actually got written offers with employment contracts attached or just comments from agencies, there is a very big difference.
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