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Re: Specialists not needed in Zurich?

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Yes but two years experience (according to one of your other posts) does not make you a specialist, it makes you an entry level candidate in the queue behind all the other entry level candidates with local language skills.

As for these other offers, have you actually got written offers with employment contracts attached or just comments from agencies, there is a very big difference.
In certain fields you can be specialist right after finishing university. Anyways that's the title I have in my current job.

As of your other question, I got written offers and some invitations to interviews. I prefer Zurich but if I will be unable to find jib there, I will go to London. It is just surprising its so much easier to get job in London for expact.
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As of your other question, I got written offers and some invitations to interviews. I prefer Zurich but if I will be unable to find jib there, I will go to London. It is just surprising its so much easier to get job in London for expact.
If thatís the case, I recommend you get your feet under the table well in advance of the end of October or Brexit might scupper your dreams...
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Old 17.08.2019, 18:10
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In certain fields you can be specialist right after finishing university.
Not here.

Tried it, but it took another couple of years in unrelated work before they accepted me as a specialist.

Fortunately the company thought that the 4 year wait was worth it.

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Old 17.08.2019, 21:59
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In certain fields you can be specialist right after finishing university. Anyways that's the title I have in my current job.
You obviously have a lot to learn.

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As of your other question, I got written offers and some invitations to interviews. I prefer Zurich but if I will be unable to find jib there, I will go to London. It is just surprising its so much easier to get job in London for expact.
The I’d suggest you move PDQ and get everything tied down ASAP.
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You obviously have a lot to learn.
This may be a question of language and terminology that might just be different between OP's country and Switzerland.

There are certain qualifications here, (for example a further certificate in knowledge about insurance, or about nursing, etc.), which are called "Expert". That's a formal title (and certificate to hang on the wall) which is awarded when one passes the "Expert" exams.

Here in Switzerland, people would not, however, call such a person a "Specialist".

Only after someone has worked for at least three or five or ten years in that field, applying that expert knowledge and increasing it through solid experience, would anyone begin to refer to them as a "Specialist".
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Re: Specialists not needed in Zurich?

2 years experience, no local language skills and somehow you're surprised it's easier to land a job elsewhere......
If you're not an experienced professional, it's easier to find jobs in countries that pay less.
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Hello All,

I am new member of EnglishForum and I see the community is strong and very powerful with tips/tricks about the life in Switzerland.

I have some concerns related to finding a job in Switzerland.
I am a financial analyst with more than 10 yrs professional experience and 1 year in a managerial role (current one). I have (very) basic German and professional English.
My wife got the contract in Swiss Bank and she moved to Zurich earlier this year. I ve started to search a decent job for me in May. I am constantly looking for any job inline with my CV and aspirations. I've sent the docs for over 120 offers, without any feedback. Please note I am applying for a similar job I have, more challenging or even a bit Junior roles.
Today I also consider to quit my current job and move to Switzerland, focus on German classes and search the job directly there.

Can you pls give me any tips and trips related to job hunting in Switzerland.
My bag of ideas is almost empty.

Thank you in Advance
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Old 01.09.2019, 14:11
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Re: Job Search [Finance dept]

https://www.englishforum.ch/employme...companies.html

https://www.englishforum.ch/employme...itzerland.html
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Re: Job Search [Finance dept]

Thanks a lot; I will review the above posts. Any other idea? I can commute +/- 100KM around Zurich area.
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Old 01.09.2019, 16:02
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Re: Job Search [Finance dept]

It may be better to quit your job and move here so you get a family reunification permit, assuming your wife meets the accommodation/financial requirements. That way you have a permit which employers are going to be looking for since the Swiss government encourages them to hire people who already live/work here.

Also get someone to have a look at your CV and see if it's tailored for the Swiss job market.
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Re: Specialists not needed in Zurich?

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In your other post you mention you have 2 years of experience. That's not necessarily "specialist" level. If you're getting job offers in London and elsewhere, do consider them instead of turning everything down for some golden goose you think is in Switzerland. More experience always looks good on your CV.
"Specialist" in many industrial companies refers to the entry-/associate-level title. For example Supply Chain Specialist, Logistics Specialist, Data Specialist etc. Switzerland currently has over 1500 open entry-level positions with the keyword Specialist in LinkedIN. It doesn't necessarily mean having a lot of experience, but rather being below "Manager" level.
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Re: Job Search [Finance dept]

I'd advise to contact some recruitment agencies. That way you can get some info about the Swiss market as well as having them give you feedback on your CV to make sure it is properly adapted to the Swiss market. Like, one thing that I didn't know about when I started applying for jobs in Zurich is that you are expected to have a (professional) photo on the CV.
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Re: Job Search [Finance dept]

The first question is, do you have a valid permit to work in Switzerland and is your passport fom the EU or outside the EU ?


Secondly, nobody will give you a job if you plan to commute 100km per day, twice a day, you will spend 3-4 hours a day commuting and wont be in good shape to do your job.



Don't talk about working on the train as that we all know is in most cases a load of bollocks
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It may be better to quit your job and move here so you get a family reunification permit, assuming your wife meets the accommodation/financial requirements. That way you have a permit which employers are going to be looking for since the Swiss government encourages them to hire people who already live/work here.

Also get someone to have a look at your CV and see if it's tailored for the Swiss job market.
I disagree with this. It is a bad idea to quit your job to come here. There are a lot of people who come here and are stuck at home with no job for months if not years.


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I'd advise to contact some recruitment agencies. That way you can get some info about the Swiss market as well as having them give you feedback on your CV to make sure it is properly adapted to the Swiss market. Like, one thing that I didn't know about when I started applying for jobs in Zurich is that you are expected to have a (professional) photo on the CV.
I find recruiters useless. They will put you on their roaster and dump you. The moment you apply to their posting, they call you back and say you are not suitable for that particular position but they might find another for you and then you will be forgotten as soon as they have your CV. I never even got an interview via a recruiter in CH, had much better success when applying by myself.
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The first question is, do you have a valid permit to work in Switzerland and is your passport fom the EU or outside the EU ?
- Yes, I have EU passport and valid Work Permit B (based on my wife's WP)

Secondly, nobody will give you a job if you plan to commute 100km per day, twice a day, you will spend 3-4 hours a day commuting and wont be in good shape to do your job.

- My target is 1h commute one way by public transport

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I disagree with this. It is a bad idea to quit your job to come here. There are a lot of people who come here and are stuck at home with no job for months if not years.




I find recruiters useless. They will put you on their roaster and dump you. The moment you apply to their posting, they call you back and say you are not suitable for that particular position but they might find another for you and then you will be forgotten as soon as they have your CV. I never even got an interview via a recruiter in CH, had much better success when applying by myself.
If I decide to quit the job and move here, I want invest this time and learn German, build up the networking (e.g. meet up) and finalize my CIMA studies. I' ve heard lots stories that people were looking for the job here 18-24 months. I am mentally strong

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If I decide to quit the job and move here, I want invest this time and learn German, build up the networking (e.g. meet up) and finalize my CIMA studies. I' ve heard lots stories that people were looking for the job here 18-24 months. I am mentally strong
Good. May I also say, it will take a long time to get your German up to a level good enough to work (assuming you are at beginner level) and even that does not guarantee an easy path to your first job.

I don't know much about finance but completing further education here in a Swiss university seems to help in getting your foot in the job market.

This is an expensive country and if you don't have savings and have to rely on your wife, 18 months can feel very long and when people look at your CV and see an 18 -24 month gap without a valid(for them) reason, they might assume you are unhireable.
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Re: Job Search [Finance dept]

Well, I like the diversity in the forum. I can find the valid views from really different angles.
On the one hand I'm concern to continue my managerial career in international corporation, but outside CH. I decided I can downgrade my career and return to individual contributor role (like financial analyst). On the other hand I want to stay with my family, as long term perspective living separately doesn't fly.
There is no perfect solution: more like choose between mind and heart, always tough choice.
Anyway it is hard to believe that if you really want to work, you cannot find anything for 2 years
If any of you had similar experience, let me know how you had dealt with.
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Old 18.09.2019, 09:01
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Re: Job Search [Finance dept]

Simply said, it is difficult as there are loads of people here who are multilingual with the right Swiss education or equivalent who are also looking for jobs.


Does your company have a presence in Switzerland? If so, go for an internal transfer.
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Re: Job Search [Finance dept]

Yeah roegner, you are right. Today I can decide to move to CH and my career is unpredictable OR my wife is back to our home country and she has to "resign" from her aspiration. Both cases are risky for us, but nothing ventured, nothing gained
My plan B (I hate the second option) is to downgrade my professional aspiration and find unskilled job.

My company is huge American company and has the presence across the world. However, for some reasons they decided to limit the presence in CH. I am afraid internal movement won't fly for me.
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Re: Specialists not needed in Zurich?

Hi Tsin,

Also, a Polish citizen here, went the same path in 2017:
- 1 year of software dev experience, mostly Java
- sent out over 80 applications
- got 5 interviews
- got 2 job offers

Today, I would mostly recommend persistence and just following the steps from this guide: https://swissdevjobs.ch/blog/how-to-...complete-guide

For data science careers you also might have a look here: https://www.datacareer.ch

From what I observed, there is some sort of bias agains non-Swiss residents. It seems like the companies are just lazy and reluctant to hire someone that doesn't live in Switzerland yet. However, once you are in (ANY work experience in Switzerland) more doors open.

Good luck!
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