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Old 19.09.2019, 10:29
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Re: Specialists not needed in Zurich?

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From what I observed, there is some sort of bias agains non-Swiss residents. It seems like the companies are just lazy and reluctant to hire someone that doesn't live in Switzerland yet.
Please see post #4.
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Old 19.09.2019, 11:02
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Re: Specialists not needed in Zurich?

@Blueangel,

Sorry for not clarifying it before - I meant bias for Swiss non-residents even those from EU.
The companies do not have to go extra steps to hire EU citizens but seem to be reluctant to do so (unless someone already works in Switzerland)
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@Blueangel,

Sorry for not clarifying it before - I meant bias for Swiss non-residents even those from EU.
The companies do not have to go extra steps to hire EU citizens but seem to be reluctant to do so (unless someone already works in Switzerland)
I guess it comes down to calculated risk. You have to be absolutely sure before you recruit someone who has to uproot themselves from another country. The chances of someone coming to Switzerland, losing their mind over whatever expat niggle they come across, and leaving within 12 months is probably higher than someone who lives here already and is either Swiss or an expat already familiar with Swiss foibles.

If I were recruiting, I'd probably have similar reservations.
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Old 19.09.2019, 11:27
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I do have everything needed. I am Polish citizen.
Visa wise yes but so have the other 400 million or so EU citizens.

Realistically residing in Poland with no local language skills and 2 years experience you don't stand much of a chance unless you get really lucky. Having a great Linked-In and Xing profile may increase your luck or start working in Poland for a company which has strong Swiss connections.
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Visa wise yes but so have the other 400 million or so EU citizens.

Realistically residing in Poland with no local language skills and 2 years experience you don't stand much of a chance unless you get really lucky. Having a great Linked-In and Xing profile may increase your luck or start working in Poland for a company which has strong Swiss connections.

Being here in CH start to get the ball rolling. I am here since 2011 (I am also, originally Polish) and I am also in IT.

Developers / DataScience people are in demand so if OP can organize swiss phone number and at least 'official' address in CH this would help a lot.
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Old 19.09.2019, 11:54
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Re: Specialists not needed in Zurich?

One last thing that nobody mentioned so far, that might explain VERY quick rejections: Switzerland has a slightly different style of application process than many other countries where I worked. Your CV should be (ideally) properly designed, and you're usually expected to include a customized cover/motivation letter, explaining why you're interested in the job. In a very dynamic market as Zürich where you'll have a lot of competition (as others pointed out), and all things being equal, you'd be an unnecessary complication if they hire you vs someone who already lives here.
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Re: Specialists not needed in Zurich?

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In certain fields you can be specialist right after finishing university. Anyways that's the title I have in my current job.

As of your other question, I got written offers and some invitations to interviews. I prefer Zurich but if I will be unable to find jib there, I will go to London. It is just surprising its so much easier to get job in London for expact.
I am an actuary also. Two years is definitely not specialist and puts you at entry-level.
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Learn the local languages.

In 33 years here, I've never worked in an English language environment.

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I doubt there are many on this forum who even once worked in a German (or local) language speaking company. Maybe we should do a poll?
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Old 19.09.2019, 12:48
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I doubt there are many on this forum who even once worked in a German (or local) language speaking company. Maybe we should do a poll?
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Aren't you a native German speaker anyway? Maybe I should phrase the question as "How many non-native German speakers have worked, primarily in German speaking environments' to exclude the pedantics?

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Old 19.09.2019, 14:35
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Aren't you a native German speaker anyway? Maybe I should phrase the question as "How many non-native German speakers have worked, primarily in German speaking environments' to exclude the pedantics?
Hmm, no, definitely not a native speaker
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Re: Specialists not needed in Zurich?

Not to be a pedantic myself, I agree that nowadays there are not that many job offers for English only speakers. Speaking a local language definitely opens more doors to interviews where you have a chance to impress with your skills.
But I also believe that if you don't bring anything more to the table than the candidate who is Swiss or at least a very fluent speaker, you are likely to be behind the queue when the hiring decision is made. Also let us not forget that native/fluent speakers have a better chance of impressing in an interview conducted in the local language.
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Also let us not forget that native/fluent speakers have a better chance of impressing in an interview conducted in the local language.
May be, may be not it depends on the dialect. I know of one case where it was decided not to go with the local guy because their dialect was too difficult to understand! And that was the conclusion of the two Swiss guys on the panel!
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May be, may be not it depends on the dialect. I know of one case where it was decided not to go with the local guy because their dialect was too difficult to understand! And that was the conclusion of the two Swiss guys on the panel!
Yes, yes I am sure it happened once or twice. It might also happen because they didn"t like someone's tone of voice or the colour of their shirt but let's not try to make this out to be a common occurrence.
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What are my chances of finding a job in Switzerland?

I've come to realize that there is a brevet or training of any sort for most jobs here in Switzerland. The mentality here seems to be that you have to train for the specific job to even get an entry-level position.

I have a teaching background and I'm here with my husband.
I have a bachelor's degree in humanities and I've worked mainly with languages. I'm also in my late 20's and I'm really anxious as it seems I'm blocked career-wise here in Switzerland.

I'm trying to look into different jobs including such as HR but what I see is that everything requires a brevet or certification.

I'm seriously considering just going back to where I was living before and pick up my career as a teacher that I left 2 years ago (which would mean a divorce).

Before you ask, I can't continue my career as a teacher here in CH as there are no full-time jobs in a real professional context here in CH. Meanwhile, it's a very popular language everywhere else (SPANISH!!?).

Can someone shed some light as to what are the real opportunities I have in CH without the 100 qualifications and exams everyone seems to have?

I speak French, English, and Spanish if that matters.

Thank you for taking the time to read my post!
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Re: What are my chances of finding a job in Switzerland?

You have a degree in humanities, a teaching qualification and teaching experience and you speak French plus two other languages. You're probably not in the worst position to job search, to be fair.

Why not spend the time doing extra certification in, for example, HR? Find the relevant courses (ask at local schools or colleges) and look for jobs on the side.

People manage to find jobs here with a smattering of the local language and half the qualifications you have.

Have you tried applying to international schools?
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Re: What are my chances of finding a job in Switzerland?

Hello,

I hope that everything will go fine. First, have you applied for positions (even with the qualifications you have now)?
Maybe some people are willing to train you inside the company or position.

Second, have looked if there is some school, institute that you could get some of the certification you need or want? Possibly you could start some lessons.

Third, have you asked at RAV or researched about it? I am not sure, but possibly you could register there to help you with unemployment as you were previously employed.
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Re: What are my chances of finding a job in Switzerland?

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You have a degree in humanities, a teaching qualification and teaching experience and you speak French plus two other languages. You're probably not in the worst position to job search, to be fair.

Why not spend the time doing extra certification in, for example, HR? Find the relevant courses (ask at local schools or colleges) and look for jobs on the side.

People manage to find jobs here with a smattering of the local language and half the qualifications you have.

Have you tried applying to international schools?

Hi!

Thank you for your response.

The point is that I've already spent so much money in the last two years living in Switzerland without a job that my savings are starting to suffer.

I'm looking into HR certifications and I'm looking at over 4,000 CHF in fees for a course + exam just to get a brevet as an HR assistant. On top of that, of course I have to pass the exam and if I don't I will lose that money.

That's why I would prefer to get an entry-level position without having to invest in such an expensive preparation course and moreover, being able to start working ASAP.

I understand that that's how the Swiss system works but it's just frustrating to realize you are blocked unless you pay a lot for a certificate.

Is that the same in international companies?

I used to live in Hong Kong where literally the sky was the limit so the situation is a bit frustrating.
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Re: What are my chances of finding a job in Switzerland?

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Hello,

I hope that everything will go fine. First, have you applied for positions (even with the qualifications you have now)?
Maybe some people are willing to train you inside the company or position.

Second, have looked if there is some school, institute that you could get some of the certification you need or want? Possibly you could start some lessons.

Third, have you asked at RAV or researched about it? I am not sure, but possibly you could register there to help you with unemployment as you were previously employed.

Thank you for your reply

I have applied for some positions already including internships and I didn't even get a response.

I suspect that the only choice would be finding a job through foreign friends because I'm not too hopeful of the Swiss ones.
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