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I'm looking into HR certifications and I'm looking at over 4,000 CHF in fees for a course + exam just to get a brevet as an HR assistant. On top of that, of course I have to pass the exam and if I don't I will lose that money.
It's a case of having to speculate to accumulate. The job you would get would potentially pay, say CHF 6000 per month so the CHF 4000 would be worth it as an initial outlay of less than a month's salary.

It's true that many places stipulate that you are qualified for even an entry level position here, but then again, the country seems to run well on that basis.

Also, a lot of places will pay for subsequent training and certification so once you're in you can start climbing the ladder at the company's expense.
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Re: What are my chances of finding a job in Switzerland?

Have you thought about working in one of the language schools? Teaching English, Spanish and French to adults? Or setting up as a private language tutor? There are lots of international companies and agencies in Geneva who might want language tutors for their international staff.

Or as you are in Geneva, how about schools over the border in France? You speak French, you could maybe teach English in a French school?
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Thank you for your reply

I have applied for some positions already including internships and I didn't even get a response.

I suspect that the only choice would be finding a job through foreign friends because I'm not too hopeful of the Swiss ones.

Ask any friends you have. Swiss or foreign. Also keep applying and don't be disappointed if they don't answer in your applications. Have looked for jobs in language teaching schools? Even temporary to have some money and feel more productive? (also possible acquire some references)

You definetely have qualifications, you just need an entry in the market.
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Re: What are my chances of finding a job in Switzerland?

Being a married female in your late 20's scares off employers who are afraid of hiring someone who will then become pregnant, take the 14 weeks paid maternity leave, then either quit or want to come back part-time. Sorry, but that's the facts here in good old Switzerland. As an over-50 male, I face similar discrimination and thank my good fate every day that I still have a job. Losing one now would be financially catastrophic.
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OP - you quit your country to join your husband here and you are living off your savings? Is he local and is he helping you integrate, learn the local language and rebuild your career? Is his family helpful and accepting? If not, you might have a bigger problem than not finding a job here. Going back for a little bit might help you gain a perspective, becoming independent here on your own too. Good luck either way, the certif will be necessarry. X
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Re: What are my chances of finding a job in Switzerland?

Uni fees here are pretty (very) low, have you thought about doing the Swiss post grad teaching qualification, then you could teach English in a Swiss state school.

Going away from teaching, if you speak English and French, how about customer service agent jobs at Geneva airport? With ski season about to start they are probably looking for more staff. Contact the ground handling agents and airlines such as Easyjet.
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Uni fees here are pretty (very) low, have you thought about doing the Swiss post grad teaching qualification, then you could teach English in a Swiss state school.

Going away from teaching, if you speak English and French, how about customer service agent jobs at Geneva airport? With ski season about to start they are probably looking for more staff. Contact the ground handling agents and airlines such as Easyjet.

Thanks for your advice.

I will look into the customer service jobs.

I will look into the Swiss teaching qualification program but I never thought of that option as I'm not a native English speaker but if there's a possibility, I will explore that option Thanks

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OP - you quit your country to join your husband here and you are living off your savings? Is he local and is he helping you integrate, learn the local language and rebuild your career? Is his family helpful and accepting? If not, you might have a bigger problem than not finding a job here. Going back for a little bit might help you gain a perspective, becoming independent here on your own too. Good luck either way, the certif will be necessarry. X
He's helped me a lot but I have always been an independent woman so I refuse to let him pay for everything. Of course, he pays rent and part of my insurance but I pay for food, restaurants, extra medical expenses, trips, etc.
His family doesn't live here but they are really nice to me.

Thanks for the reality check regarding the certificate haha.

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Being a married female in your late 20's scares off employers who are afraid of hiring someone who will then become pregnant, take the 14 weeks paid maternity leave, then either quit or want to come back part-time. Sorry, but that's the facts here in good old Switzerland. As an over-50 male, I face similar discrimination and thank my good fate every day that I still have a job. Losing one now would be financially catastrophic.


Hi!

Thanks for your reply. Yeah, surprisingly, the Swiss tend to be a bit chauvinistic and old fashion when it comes to women.

That's so fricking annoying!!! I don't even want kids so it's sad people assume what you want in life.

Age discrimination is terrible and so stupid when they can take advantage of all the experience older people have.

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Hi!

Thanks for your reply. Yeah, surprisingly, the Swiss tend to be a bit chauvinistic and old fashion when it comes to women.

That's so fricking annoying!!! I don't even want kids so it's sad people assume what you want in life.

Age discrimination is terrible and so stupid when they can take advantage of all the experience older people have.
I agree with you but what's more pressing might be local grads who don't get to start on the pension schemes because they don't get hired. I wish the mindset towards hiring expensive experience changed, it is a good investment longterm.
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Re: What are my chances of finding a job in Switzerland?

As I posted in another thread, I just found my next job (or rather the job found me) via Linkedin. Employers are inundated with applications, and in my case seemed to take the reverse approach.. scanning for suitable applicants on Linkedin. Pimp you Linkedin profile.. get people to recommend you, then change your status to "Actively looking". I just landed a great job this way! They found me!
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Re: What are my chances of finding a job in Switzerland?

Here's a link to OP's other thread, for reference:
https://www.englishforum.ch/employme...r-options.html

One of the hardest parts of adapting as a trailing spouse is realizing that here is not the same as there - be it back "home" or in the last place you were. In this case, it sounds like you had a great, fulfilling career in Asia and now that you're here you don't see something similar on the horizon. That's frustrating. I've been there. Many of our members have been there.

How many jobs have you applied for in the last 6 months and how many interviews have you had? I'd say with your language skills and experience it should not be overly hard to find a job here. Whether or not it's comparable to what you had before is hard to say.

I certainly think you could start teaching part-time at any number of language schools. That would at least give you some income and get you out of the house. You'd meet new people, some of whom might have connections to another job. Speaking of connections, ask your friends and neighbors to keep their eyes and ears open too.

In terms of Swiss teaching qualifications, I don't think you need to be a native English speaker. What's more important is that you speak the local language fluently.

Send out load of applications to whatever positions catch your interest. Don't let job ads discourage you from even applying if you think the job might be a good fit.
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Ask any friends you have. Swiss or foreign. Also keep applying and don't be disappointed if they don't answer in your applications. Have looked for jobs in language teaching schools? Even temporary to have some money and feel more productive? (also possible acquire some references)

You definetely have qualifications, you just need an entry in the market.

Yeah, I had someone tell me that the most difficult part is getting the first job so that Swiss employers would trust you.

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Re: What are my chances of finding a job in Switzerland?

My wife moved here from Scotland after we got married. Although her degree was recognized here, without (Swiss) German, she had no chance of landing one. First year was spent learning German. Second year was a series of attempts to find jobs, with limited success. She was fired from her first part-time job because of lack of dialect (and other dubious reasons which I won't go into). We almost gave up. After two really bad part-time jobs working for Swiss tyrants, she interviewed at a place in Aargau. She has now worked there for the past 24 years, and has started a side business on her own in the same field. Nothing worth having is easy to get.
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Do an apprenticeship, then they pay you to study!

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Do an apprenticeship, then they pay you to study!

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An adult will have different needs in terms of salary.

OP - it's nice you want to foot your own bills but think about your retirement, your current independence here and now might be your complete dependency later. I have seen this so many times. If job isn't happening and your savings are gone, time to re-evaluate. Teaching, btw, is more than saturated here, service sector might be better for you. X
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An adult will have different needs in terms of salary.
Maybe. OP is married, so doesn't have the financial needs of a single person.

My daughter is 26, and has several people that are over 30 in her classes.

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Maybe. OP is married, so doesn't have the financial needs of a single person.

My daughter is 26, and has several people that are over 30 in her classes.

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I think it would be great, though the entrance exams they do in our area might be an obstacle? Math, French...depends on the apprenticeship.

Still, the 400-1000fr a month might be tight. GE is expensive.
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Re: What are my chances of finding a job in Switzerland?

OP, have you considered applying for jobs that are completely different from your qualifications and working experience?

If you found such jobs, you would clock up some Swiss working experience, and they would give you some sort of income without demanding your full skill set. That might do you good, psychologically, since you could work without applying your full abilities, and that would give you the mental and financial reserves to pay school-fees and get some Swiss qualification.

Examples: waitress, barista, courier by car or bicycle, helper in an old-age nursing home, cleaner, helper in a children's camp, cashier, security officer in an exhibition, nannying, shop-assistant, babysitting, giving extra lessons, etc.

Also, large public events need all sorts of temporary helpers where language skills can be an advantage: first-aid workers, messengers, organisers, cleaners, ticket-collectors.

I mention this kind of work, that is completely not what you are qualified to do (except the extra lessons), because I know several professionals who took time out to get their breath back after an intensive project, or while changing their personal circumstances, or just to re-think their direction, or to ensure that they had a certain drizzle of income while they got their next qualification. That gap brought them into contact with many people and one, at least, actually found his next professional job through the network he built during that phase.

Finding that kind of work involves footwork. One has to go out and visit the restaurant owners, talk to cleaners on their way to work, put up little signs on noticeboards in shops, read signs in shop windows, talk to shop assistants, research who owns and runs the big function venues and from them who runs the functions, talk to the ticket-sellers of such events, go the the kinds of companies which might host events of their own. And all along, keep track of that networking. A very, very good source of tips can be service providers nearby such places, such as hairdressers and kiosk-owners.
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I think it would be great, though the entrance exams they do in our area might be an obstacle? Math, French...depends on the apprenticeship.
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I speak French, English, and Spanish if that matters.

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Thanks for your reply. Yeah, surprisingly, the Swiss tend to be a bit chauvinistic and old fashion when it comes to women.

That's so fricking annoying!!! I don't even want kids so it's sad people assume what you want in life.

Age discrimination is terrible and so stupid when they can take advantage of all the experience older people have.

It may be so the Swiss are chauvinistic, although you probably mean misogynistic, they are insular, conservative and hate change.


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