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MisterV 27.03.2019 23:41

Any good career advisors/coaches for international business careers?
 
Just wondering if anyone knows whether such services are helpful? and if yes, might people on here know any good ones? Esp. in the Zurich area.

Finding myself at an impasse and needing reasonable, competent advice on how to take the career forwards (what positions to aim for, what further education is absolutely necessary or helpful, etc).

Electric 10.04.2019 08:45

Re: Any good career advisors/coaches for international business careers?
 
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Originally Posted by MisterV (Post 3056080)
Just wondering if anyone knows whether such services are helpful? and if yes, might people on here know any good ones? Esp. in the Zurich area.

Finding myself at an impasse and needing reasonable, competent advice on how to take the career forwards (what positions to aim for, what further education is absolutely necessary or helpful, etc).

Almost always no. Career counselors and life coaches are people who could not get a real job themselves...

Guest 10.04.2019 10:01

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Originally Posted by Electric (Post 3059613)
Almost always no. Career counselors and life coaches are people who could not get a real job themselves...


Ah...now we knowe what an asshole like you does for a living :D:D

Guest 10.04.2019 11:58

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Originally Posted by Electric (Post 3059613)
Almost always no. Career counselors and life coaches are people who could not get a real job themselves...



Really, hmm...why is it then I know one who work pro-bono and is employeed FTE making a >200 K CHF a year at a well known Swiss company....who is also has a network of similar folks in that company that seves that company's coaching services for its over 10,000 employees world-wide? hmm....odd..very very very odd?


(to the orignial poster, sorry i can't recommend that person, - I know they have a client base that's already keeping them occupied).

Treverus 10.04.2019 12:19

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Originally Posted by parkadam (Post 3059700)
Really, hmm...why is it then I know one who work pro-bono

Thats the key bit though - the people I would take advice from are probably not looking for a part time job for 50 CHF an hour. So either it is some sort of corporate program or you simply ask for advice from people you admire.

A commercial service is most likely not going to be great… I go to a lot of business networking events and developed an allergy against professional "life coaches". Or is it "professional" life coaches?

P.S: to the OP, you can always make a post on EF. Make sure it is sufficiently anonymous… and I promise you people will not hold back their opinion.

MisterV 11.04.2019 11:29

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Originally Posted by parkadam (Post 3059700)
(to the orignial poster, sorry i can't recommend that person, - I know they have a client base that's already keeping them occupied).

No worries, it's understandable. Good to know people like that do exist though.

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Originally Posted by Treverus (Post 3059702)
Thats the key bit though - the people I would take advice from are probably not looking for a part time job for 50 CHF an hour. So either it is some sort of corporate program or you simply ask for advice from people you admire.

A commercial service is most likely not going to be great… I go to a lot of business networking events and developed an allergy against professional "life coaches". Or is it "professional" life coaches?

P.S: to the OP, you can always make a post on EF. Make sure it is sufficiently anonymous… and I promise you people will not hold back their opinion.

Yeah sure. Obviously I would expect this to be paid as much as a lawyer or so per hour; I do have people in my network whom I admire, or even who are extremely well-connected, but none of them work in fields that are relevant for me.

I just think I'm missing something obvious when looking at my profile and potential next steps and I think the - potentially harsh and realistic - advice would have to come from someone experience in my area.

Which forum would I post to for advice in EF? Here in Employment as well?

Guest 11.04.2019 14:29

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Originally Posted by MisterV (Post 3060094)
No worries, it's understandable. Good to know people like that do exist though.


Yeah sure. Obviously I would expect this to be paid as much as a lawyer or so per hour; I do have people in my network whom I admire, or even who are extremely well-connected, but none of them work in fields that are relevant for me.

I just think I'm missing something obvious when looking at my profile and potential next steps and I think the - potentially harsh and realistic - advice would have to come from someone experience in my area.

Which forum would I post to for advice in EF? Here in Employment as well?



I don't know where you can post - but what I can say, is I have no clue what you mean by international business, so lets start there with the coaching.


I DO know, for example what an International Business Operations/or Global Business Operations or Global Commercial Operations functions does in a pharma company (having been in Global Marketing funciton before). But when you say international business as a stand alone career statement ...no freaking clue what you're talking about.


Maybe my first advise is get clear on what you mean by "International business". Tell that to some one without clarity what it is you mean, you sound stupid.


Second advise, you want to go into some form of business eh? and you want to do something International eh? First step generally that most people who I know who gone into some of those functions I noted in a pharma company....Sales. Face the customer. And do it Locally. Then up wards and on-wards.


You know nothing until you face the customer. And you do it local (in country)


I known people who do go into Marketing for example without sales experience, I've seen them get a bit stuck, at some point they'll run into a hard-nose who demands customer-facing experience, irrespective of prior successes, so called carry-the-bag experience.. I never had sales experience directly, but I did have customer face experience in another function (I was still field force and Sales reps pulled me in to help with key accounts when needed).


So go call what ever career coach you want, if they don't tell you the above, well, sorry for you. Send me 300 CHF and I want 10 percent of all your future earnings.

MisterV 11.04.2019 15:38

Re: Any good career advisors/coaches for international business careers?
 
Thank you, but I think you may have thought a little too far ahead there. I intentionally kept it vague since I thought this kind of stuff might not be appreciated on the forum. I do have several years' experience in international sales (heavy industry, energy, high-tech and startup), and this is one of the reasons I want to potentially change, and discuss the profile with someone who would ideally say: "well this profile can evolve to X and Y, and maybe Z, but to be honest it sounds like you would be unhappy with X, and for Y you absolutely need to have a diploma in YY, and Z might be difficult unless you look in industry ZZ".

That was my idea, initially. It is possible this kind of service just doesn't exist, - I would find that a little sad, however, seeing how complex the job landscape can be. It would be important for someone to gauge your personality and say "look, dude, no offense, but you're not really made for X, however you're great for Y, just get some certificate for it and you have very good chances of seeing traction". Maybe that's a market niche in itself, hah.

I am also generally suspicious of 'professional coaches' and the main point of the thread was a small hope that my suspicions would not be confirmed.

Guest 11.04.2019 15:56

Re: Any good career advisors/coaches for international business careers?
 
Well You have sales - the next step in my industry sector is “Product Manager” or “Marketing Manager”. I did that job as international product manager for a bit.

What you need is not a Professional Coach - they serve a different purpose and goal - it’s not they of no value - they are no value to you.

You need a mentor , specific to your industry. I’m my early days esp when I was looking to move into an corporate HQ role in an international operations environ - I reached out to some one in LinkedIn in Switzerland - he was in a Big Pharma - over a series of emails he was able some advice and some hooks - he passed my CV into his organization which yielded interviews. I recommend you do the same - not everyone will respond but you’ll get a jewel who will and.... for free.

You just gotra reach out - it’s called informational interviewing and networking.

MisterV 17.04.2019 09:03

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Originally Posted by parkadam (Post 3060230)
Well You have sales - the next step in my industry sector is “Product Manager” or “Marketing Manager”. I did that job as international product manager for a bit.

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You need a mentor , specific to your industry. I’m my early days esp when I was looking to move into an corporate HQ role in an international operations environ - I reached out to some one in LinkedIn in Switzerland - he was in a Big Pharma - over a series of emails he was able some advice and some hooks - he passed my CV into his organization which yielded interviews.

That's helpful, thanks. Mentorship seems to be somewhat hard, since very few people in my closer network have experience that is relevant for me.

And really, just contacting strangers over LinkedIn? And they give intelligent, helpful responses? I would be highly surprised, often not even my friends can do that, sometimes due to corporate structure (i.e. they are not allowed to pass anything on to HR or some BS like that).

Do you have a lot of experience with that? Are people happier to connect on LinkedIn when you're not looking to sell them your product or so?



Maybe I'll do a separate thread with my profile asking for suggestions, as was mentioned above.


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