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Old 03.04.2019, 23:57
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Re: Came for a trial work day in a restaurant and they refuse ro pay me

My apologies btw, particularly Mgosia has already extensively answered the question (as have others). For some reason only the first couple of comments were displayed before I started writing, not sure why.

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A little off-topic here, but I was wondering if the following is legal or not.

A few months ago, I had an interview with one of the two big banks. It was for a rather technical/quant position, so before even going to the first interview, I was given a week to answer to some pretty mathematical / programming questions. It was not an easy or straightforward task, it took me about 30 hours to do this, as it involved writing code, collecting and cleaning data, doing post-processing and analysis, and finally writing a 35 page report in LaTeX.

After this, I was invited for three rounds of 1.5 hour interviews on three different days (the first one with the hiring manager, the second one with the managing director and the third one with the HR director).

All in all, I spent about 30 hours for the technical report, another 10 hours for the interview preparations and on top of that, I had to take 3 days of holidays from work to go to the interviews (as if they could not just put everything in one day).

In the end, I did not get the job, and the worst thing is that I never got a reply to my e-mail from either the Hiring Manager or the HR department.

Where does the law stand on this? Is it legal to ask a potential employee to dedicate so much work and effort on something like this, take so many days of holidays and then not compensate him?

P.S. Nothing was agreed upfront regarding a payment, but the process was not also clear from the beginning, nobody informed me that there would be 3 interviews, 2 to 3 weeks apart.
Jesus Christ. The gall some people have is unbelievable.

So for the work you did - to me that is roughly the same as a Probetag. It seems to have been actual work rather than some testing. I've had to sit through a lot of testing in job interviews, but aptitude and psychometric stuff. I was once asked to prepare a brief presentation on a topic, but that was maybe a couple of hours worth of work plus some personal prep and was more about presentation skills than content. Stuff like that I guess is ok.

But to actually submit a piece of work that took 30 hours to complete, not get reimbursed for it, and then not even have the decency to respond is neither here nor there.

Clearly this is grey zone - where does work start? But I don't think I would let this one go without at least trying to get reimbursement. There are hotlines where you can get free legal help as well as walk-in hours, I would go there first (Zurich: https://www.zav.ch/fuer-rechtssuchen...tsstellen.html)

Btw - theoretically you don't need to take vacation days for interviews, even if you're still fully employed. Problem of course is that no one goes to their employer before having resigned to ask for time off for an interview. But on the off chance you are working out your notice period, you are allowed to go for interviews, independent of whether you were terminated or whether you resigned yourself.
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Old 04.04.2019, 11:09
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Re: Came for a trial work day in a restaurant and they refuse ro pay me

Well, it was a position with one of the two big banks, so I thought that if you want to work for them, you have to suck it up and do what they want you to do.

To be honest, I only thought about compensation when I saw this topic, I would have never imagined that you get paid for such stuff. And I was not annoyed by the fact that I put so much effort and they didn't choose me, there are tons of other people better than me after all. But it was really annoying that I asked both the hiring manager and the HR manager for feedback and they didn't even have the decency to reply to my e-mail (even to say that they don't give feedback).

As for the days off for interviews, this is interesting to know, although not so easy to just go to your boss and say 'Hey, I am going to be away tomorrow cause I have an interview with another company.'.
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To be honest, I only thought about compensation when I saw this topic, I would have never imagined that you get paid for such stuff. And I was not annoyed by the fact that I put so much effort and they didn't choose me, there are tons of other people better than me after all. But it was really annoying that I asked both the hiring manager and the HR manager for feedback and they didn't even have the decency to reply to my e-mail (even to say that they don't give feedback).
This is the worst part. They honestly canít be that busy to respond, even to say, sorry, we donít do that.
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Well, it was a position with one of the two big banks, so I thought that if you want to work for them, you have to suck it up and do what they want you to do.
I just read about your experience in your earlier post open-mouthed - that's unbelievable!

It seems the big employers here (banks and insurance) are overheated with applications for positions so can afford to behave like arseholes to hopeful applicants.

Just shameful.
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Re: Came for a trial work day in a restaurant and they refuse ro pay me

Hi mgosia,

I found that your experience is really helpful. May I message you to ask for some more informations about this case please?
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