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Old 15.04.2019, 21:23
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Transfer of unemployment benefits to EU

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Assume that one is employed under unlimited contract with 3 months' notice period. One wants to have employment relationship ended, and then one would like to leave Switzerland while transferring unemployment benefits to his EU country (those 3 months that one can transfer).


The only thing known so far is that one is entitled to transfer, if one

  • have been registered as an unemployed jobseeker with the employment services in the country where you became unemployed for at least 4 weeks (exceptions can be made)
source: https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizen...s/index_en.htm


Therefore, one doesn't need to receive 1 month of unemployment benefits in Switzerland, but only has to be registered as an unemployed jobseeker.


Now, I would like to know, how on the situation effect following circumstances, namely in benefits entitlement and timing manner (i.e. how fast can one perform transfer, depending on the circumstances)



a) one quits job and employer agrees to let him go without having to work for notice period
b) one is fired and employer doesn't require to work the notice period
c) one is fired and employer doesn't require to work the notice period, plus he pays him out 3 months' salary
d) one quits job and employer agrees to let him go without having to work for notice period, but he gets paid out 3 months' salary
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Hello all,


Assume that one is employed under unlimited contract with 3 months' notice period. One wants to have employment relationship ended, and then one would like to leave Switzerland while transferring unemployment benefits to his EU country (those 3 months that one can transfer).


The only thing known so far is that one is entitled to transfer, if one

  • have been registered as an unemployed jobseeker with the employment services in the country where you became unemployed for at least 4 weeks (exceptions can be made)
source: https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizen...s/index_en.htm


Therefore, one doesn't need to receive 1 month of unemployment benefits in Switzerland, but only has to be registered as an unemployed jobseeker.


Now, I would like to know, how on the situation effect following circumstances, namely in benefits entitlement and timing manner (i.e. how fast can one perform transfer, depending on the circumstances)



a) one quits job and employer agrees to let him go without having to work for notice period
b) one is fired and employer doesn't require to work the notice period
c) one is fired and employer doesn't require to work the notice period, plus he pays him out 3 months' salary
d) one quits job and employer agrees to let him go without having to work for notice period, but he gets paid out 3 months' salary

My understanding is that you must have received RAV payments for a month (albeit 4 weeks) as far as "(exceptions can be made)" my advice would be to check that part out very carefully and if you qualify have written proof from relevant departments.
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My understanding is that you must have received RAV payments for a month (albeit 4 weeks) as far as "(exceptions can be made)" my advice would be to check that part out very carefully and if you qualify have written proof from relevant departments.
If so, then OP will have an issue with A and D as it will take time before you get any payment due to having quit the job yourself
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Old 16.04.2019, 14:26
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If so, then OP will have an issue with A and D as it will take time before you get any payment due to having quit the job yourself
my guess is that even being fired and then agreeing with employer to be allowed to leave immediately, may impose sanctions, as 3month's notice period would be cancelled willingly. Any bonuses received may add additional penalty.
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Old 16.04.2019, 15:41
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Any bonuses received may add additional penalty.
That depends on the amount of the farewell bonus
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Re: Transfer of unemployment benefits to EU

I'm bit confused with this RAV stuff. Say that one has 3 month's notice period and quits job. When does he receive RAV benefit, if he transfers it to his country in EU?


I would guess that one has to work 3months of notice period first until the day that contract expires. Then he would need to register on RAV, and be penalized with 90 days of delay to receive unemployment benefits because one had quit job. On top of this, 10 days normal waiting days need to be added, and possibly 15-30 days of additional penalty, if one wasn't sending applications in the last 3 months before expiration of contract (or even worse, before the day of resignation????). So at the end of the day one receives minimally 3months and 10 days of penalty,and one can transfer to EU only 3 months of unemployment benefits, and that's AFTER being *registered* as a job seeker in Switzerland for one month. Does this finally mean that after quitting job one can only export to EU a penalty days, meaning that one gets nothing?
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Keep in mind, that it is far more likely RAV will screw you rather than you screwing RAV
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Old 17.05.2019, 16:18
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Unemployment benefits

One is EU citizen living and working in Switzerland.One worked in Switzerland for more than 12 months in last 24months. Then he had quit his job because of health-related reasons.After one quitting his job, he would like to move back to his country in EU.

Is one entitled to make a transfer of unemployment benefits from CH to his country in EU?
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Old 17.05.2019, 16:47
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One is EU citizen living and working in Switzerland.One worked in Switzerland for more than 12 months in last 24months. Then he had quit his job because of health-related reasons.After one quitting his job, he would like to move back to his country in EU.

Is one entitled to make a transfer of unemployment benefits from CH to his country in EU?
I believe you would have to be already unemployed & receiving benefits, export of benefits is for 90 days only. Unfortunately if your not fit to work unemployment pay won't be payable in C.H., however this may be covered by sickness insurance although I would expect that to lapse when you resigned
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One is EU citizen living and working in Switzerland.One worked in Switzerland for more than 12 months in last 24months. Then he had quit his job because of health-related reasons.After one quitting his job, he would like to move back to his country in EU.

Is one entitled to make a transfer of unemployment benefits from CH to his country in EU?
Pretty much the same as your previous thread.....

In order to transfer benefits you need:

- To be already receiving benefits
- Have already a record of attempting to find a job here
- RAV must agreed to it
- It for a max of 90 days.
- After 90 days you either return to CH or you are no longer the RAV's problem.
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Old 17.05.2019, 19:26
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Pretty much the same as your previous thread.....

In order to transfer benefits you need:

- To be already receiving benefits
This probably means 3months of waiting as one resigned from job, plus 15-30 days of penalty as one didnt sign up on RAV immediately, and also those 5-15 days of default penalty. In short, 4months of waiting before 1st swiss franc reaches ones bank account.

Is it possible to seek job for those 4months from home country in EU and then receive the benefits in the following 3months?
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Old 17.05.2019, 21:43
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This probably means 3months of waiting as one resigned from job, plus 15-30 days of penalty as one didnt sign up on RAV immediately, and also those 5-15 days of default penalty. In short, 4months of waiting before 1st swiss franc reaches ones bank account.

Is it possible to seek job for those 4months from home country in EU and then receive the benefits in the following 3months?
Of course not. Just because you are not being paid does not mean you donít have to turn up for your regular meetings with the RAV councilor etc... or are you planning to fly back and fourth for each meeting and do the same if they give you a 24 hour call up. Four months with no payment plus say 4 to 6 round trips to Switzerland and what happens if they send you on a course or a snupper day....
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Pretty much the same as your previous thread...
Thanks, threads merged.
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Of course not. Just because you are not being paid does not mean you donít have to turn up for your regular meetings with the RAV councilor etc... or are you planning to fly back and fourth for each meeting and do the same if they give you a 24 hour call up. Four months with no payment plus say 4 to 6 round trips to Switzerland and what happens if they send you on a course or a snupper day....
Frequent visits (even those with 24h call up)shouldn't be an issue as I would live near swiss border.It would be an issue, however, if I need to show up every day, if that is even possible?I dont speak local language though.

Btw, what's snupper day?
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Old 19.05.2019, 12:53
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Frequent visits (even those with 24h call up)shouldn't be an issue as I would live near swiss border.It would be an issue, however, if I need to show up every day, if that is even possible?I dont speak local language though.

Btw, what's snupper day?
They can send you to a course, can be one week, can be several weeks
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Frequent visits (even those with 24h call up)shouldn't be an issue as I would live near swiss border.It would be an issue, however, if I need to show up every day, if that is even possible?I dont speak local language though.

Btw, what's snupper day?
Of course you may be required to turn up each date, to attend a course on resume and interview preparation, perhaps a language course or two and other training courses.

A snapper day, is when you are sent to work and explore a possible other carrier opportunity.

You should also be aware that each RAV councillor has only to deal with a small number of questionable cases each month and they have plenty of time to do it. And they are also a lot more experienced at playing this game than do.

Now I'm done with this. Stop posting questions expecting people help you break the rules. Either play by the rules or go figure it out for yourself.
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Re: Transfer of unemployment benefits to EU

It sounds a bit cheesy to me that one needs to receive unemployment bebefits for a month before being able to transfer them in EU.I couldnt find any source stating that.

Only thing ive found is this:

one is entitled to transfer of benefits in EU, if one have been registered as an unemployed jobseeker with the employment services in the country where you became unemployed for at least 4 weeks (exceptions can be made).

You see, it says "registered" and not "having received benefits"
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Of course you may be required to turn up each date, to attend a course on resume and interview preparation, perhaps a language course or two and other training courses.

A snapper day, is when you are sent to work and explore a possible other carrier opportunity.

You should also be aware that each RAV councillor has only to deal with a small number of questionable cases each month and they have plenty of time to do it. And they are also a lot more experienced at playing this game than do.

Now I'm done with this. Stop posting questions expecting people help you break the rules. Either play by the rules or go figure it out for yourself.
The OP payed into the system, he has the right to receive help. I hope you never experience crippling health issues (including mental health, the worst underestimated issues).
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The OP payed into the system, he has the right to receive help. I hope you never experience crippling health issues (including mental health, the worst underestimated issues).
Health issues have nothing to do with unemployment.

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The OP payed into the system, he has the right to receive help. I hope you never experience crippling health issues (including mental health, the worst underestimated issues).
First of all just because you paid into the system does not mean that you are entitled to a pay out, in fact there are some people who are contributing and will never qualify for benefits because of the type of permit they hold.

Second if you fail to comply with the rules there is no reason what so that should people should get benefits, particularly when you intention was to game system.

Third if you are sick then you are no entitled to benefits in any case because you are not available for work.

Oh and fourth I do have health issues that means that I'm not always available for work...

Anything else????
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