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I am the unluckiest foreigner i the history of Switzerland

First of all i want to say that i learn a lot from this forum and to thanks everyone here, also if the Admins decide this type thread is not for here just let me know.

Part 1 Germany

So here is my story, I am a 26 yo Bulgarian guy who moved from my country and decided to start a new and better life. Originally i always wanted to be in Swiss, but i agreed a Germany with a person who could help me at the start its still ok, i have relatives in Swiss as well and im familiar with the most of the Swiss specific things, overall i could say im well informed. So November i moved in Germany close to the Swiss border and started to live with my relative, we agreed on that he would help me with a job hunt and with the language which wasn't the best, honestly its still is not but definetly a lot better now. Everything well smooth with adress registraion, bank account and the phone number, but all of the problems started with job hunting. First i applied to Agentur for arbeit with a lot of hope, after few weeks they made me Termin, eventhough my bad language i still made a good conversation alone with the woman there, she told me that my langauge would be a problem and she just gave me a lists of few job agencys and that was all for me...lol Ok next step we did was, my relative was a going to his job agency where hes started at first, the woman theres was close to him to but she told us my language would be a problem again bacuase if they found me a job for example, i would embaras their job agency with my language WTF? Another dissapointment, well ok now next thing was that we decided to go a job center that was the worst, we went there all of the ladys were rude and disrespectfull and they told us we have to wait 3 months if a cant find a job then i can apply agian. After a few weeks i got a letter via post from the Agentur fur arbeit so they resend me to another job agency that they could offer me a job. That time of the Termin my relative was on work so i had to go alone there. When i went there that was the worst of the worst, they asked me if i speak German and i told them its not the best, and they told me to go home immidiately LOL, i said "Hey guys whats up with the Termin today? Can we at least try?" and they say no, i even call my relative to talk with them and they said the same things to him. Dissapointment after dissapointment, the things dont went as i expected, so i decided to left a Germany for a bit on a side, and to start seek on my own in my initial will and desired Switzerland.

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So after all this my desire was back and refreshed with a new hope now. My first job found was a bauarbeiter c near the Luzern region, we stayed in touch with the boss and aranging all the things for weeks, all was good he made me a contract and was really happy about it, i went to Luzern and arrange the details about the job, he is speaking good English so there wasnt any problems at all. Everthing was explained and arranged really well we both shaked our hands and signed the contracts one for me and one for him, so the next step was migrations permit, our agreement was he told me that we must need a permision to be ready first and then i can come and start working, he had to spoke with migrations and this usually takes around 1-2 weeks. So far so good, but guess what now, i was waiting for him around 4-5 weeks, overall i didnt wanted to be rude and forced him, i stil stayed in touch, the last thing he told around second week was he had to spoke with migrations and thats it, after that he stopped responding to me. I was waiting for him 5-6 weeks, no phone calls, no text, no nothing, what a joke really? At least he should have told me he don't want me anymore... why anyone respected owner of a couple of companys would do this and lie to me and the end, even after we both signed a contract, wasting both his and my time. To this day i still cant understand this. I was really annoyed but still didnt give up, next step was trying my luck with my CV via internet i applied in almost Swiss sites jobs.ch, jobsscout.ch, jobroom.ch, jobagent.ch 1000jobs.ch and many many more. My target jobs was bauarbeiter c, taxifahrer, deliveryfahrer or produktion mitarbeiter, all good for a beginer like me. To increase my chances although my relative doesnt like Swiss so much as I am, and he wanted me to with him in Germany, he aggreed to help me. I made both for me and him Swiss format CVs, and going for job hunt in job agencys in Zurich, well i will never forget this day for one day we applied in 10-15 job agencys, that was around 20km for day by foot since we dont have a car, at the end of the day i couldnt feel my legs LOL. A few weeks passed, and guess what? Of course another dissapointment, no response from any of the agencies. I countinued my the job search via the internet sites, finally i got a good response with a employer he was seeking a drivers for a taxi with the C drivers license, he told that he is interested in me, and its ready for a personal meeting, he gave me his personal number and was waiting for my call. He told me hes busy now and we are ready to meet next week, okay when tried to call him he didnt answer on his personal number, so i found the other number of the company for orders and i asked how cant i contanct him? I text him via the other number is he still interested in me? Guess what? Not a single response of course... Another dissapointment. Our relations with my relative started to get worse, because hes very sceptical about Swiss, and he doesnt believe I/We could find a job there, he told me he will not help me with anything anymore(mainly with the language) and from here im completely alone for anything Swiss related, GREAT. The next step was i met a Bulgarian friend who is very well familiar with Switzerland and he works there as Grenzganger, he recommended me a agency in Kreuzlingen who is actually good and do something, he told me he started from there even a helped a few of his friends as well. I was already sceptical about the agencys after all of this, but hey lets try again i got nothing to loose, i went with another friend there, and i was surprised there was very friendly lady who imidiately offered me a probetag in company as a produktion mitarbeiter, she contancted migrations and she told me that im allowed for a probetag, after a few days my friend drove me there and always went better that expected, i was little worried about the language but there wasnt any problems, i understood almost everything from the coleagues and the teamleader. Not the best at the work of course for first day but at the end of the day i could do almost everything alone. I was happy overall. The team leader told me at the end of the day that lady from the agency will give me a call. OK. Great news im almost there and guess what? OF COURSE, she wrote me e-mail that they chose another candidate over me. I tought i was just me so the deal was if they will gonna like me or not, but there was a few others so the company had choose from a few. GREAT!

So guys after all this, i need you now, im really out of options. What would be your recomendations after all this, that was really unfortunate but i am really motivated i WILL NEVER GIVE UP! A lot of friends told me that i had to start a German classes, thats right, but that will waste a lot of my time(8-9 months), i understand the good German is important but, i am long time unemployed, and finding a job is my first priority, i promised myself and everyone i will start a German course imidiatley after i finally got a job! Admins and mods sorry if this is not apropriate thread and its little bit ranty, i just need to share this with someone! So what you thinks guys, whats its my best option now, agencies, internet, employers? Any advice or help will be apreciated. Thank you.
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Unrestricted free movement for Bulgarians starts 1st of June 2019.

As for now you are EU-2 without a permit no mentioning of any diploma's in your post and you don't speak any of the local languages, and your English is tbh also not great.

Your friends are correct, learn the language and start doing that tomorrow and not when you find a job since you need the language to get a proper chance of landing a job. Else you'll just be wasting your time here. Your position atm like it or not is at the bottom of the list at job agency's (if they even want to put you on it.)

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and your English is tbh also not great.

Doesn't seem to be a problem for a lot of people.
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Wow... Only english, teachers here. Can you tell how to edit my post? I'll separate each paragraph specially for you. I'll put However, Furthermore, Nevertlhess more as well.

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Unrestricted free movement for Bulgarians starts 1st of June 2019.

As for now you are EU-2 without a permit no mentioning of any diploma's in your post and you don't speak any of the local languages, and your English is tbh also not great.

Your friends are correct, learn the language and start doing that tomorrow and not when you find a job since you need the language to get a proper chance of landing a job. Else you'll just be wasting your time here. Your position atm like it or not is at the bottom of the list at job agency's (if they even want to put you on it.)

You are not unlucky, you are betting on a crippled horse.
What are you talking about, we are in the free movement because we are EU. The only restrictions for Bulgarians are the B quotas. So to have a permission you need the job and the contract first. You are not so well informed.

So you are a teacher too i guess, yeah i made mistakes with paragraphs because i haven't written so long post in a while, my written English is in bad shape i admit it.

I Understand that i'm not qualified for any of these, but what any other job for beginner would recommend me then? You think seeking for a low qualified job is a waste of time? I have seen people with German far more worse than mine and they got a job in few weeks.
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I agree with the advice to improve your German. You don't need to spend the money of registering for a course but can learn quite a lot online, for free. Practice reading, writing, speaking and comprehension every day. Progress in German is likely to be one of the main factors which will improve your employability.

Here's a thread with many ideas for funding work: https://www.englishforum.ch/employme...fications.html
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I have seen people with German far more worse than mine and they got a job in few weeks.
Can they perhaps teach you how they managed that? Perhaps they could introduce you to their employers. That might be a good start.
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I agree with the advice to improve your German. You don't need to spend the money of registering for a course but can learn quite a lot online, for free. Practice reading, writing, speaking and comprehension every day. Progress in German is likely to be one of the main factors which will improve your employability.

Here's a thread with many ideas for funding work: https://www.englishforum.ch/employme...fications.html
Hey thanks for the response, i learn everyday at home and with my friends, i forgot to mentiong that. Still not the best, except the proper grammar i think im around A2. I can manage a simple conversations. In the beginning it was a far worse. I know at least B1 is required for a job, but isnt A2 enough for simple low qualifed job? When i was on my probetag i had no problems with the communication in the factory.

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Can they perhaps teach you how they managed that? Perhaps they could introduce you to their employers. That might be a good start.
Most of them are through agencies, they explained me that they can't introduce me directly to employers because, the employers and the agencies had some kind of agreement and every new employer must went trough the agency first. So i think i can't skip it. Although i dont think every company is like that, wired to a agency but i have to search more for type like that. I tried directly with the employers but every time i was lied. Its explained in the first post.
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I have seen people with German far more worse than mine and they got a job in few weeks.
And what other skills did they have?

If you re-read your initial post, the common thread throughout is "my German is not good enough". Therefore it would be a good idea to focus on that, as improving your language skills is something entirely within your control.

Also when referring to the country, it is "Switzerland", not "Swiss".
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What are you talking about, we are in the free movement because we are EU. The only restrictions for Bulgarians are the B quotas. So to have a permission you need the job and the contract first. You are not so well informed.
Yes you are EU-2 as I already said. I'm more than enough informed about this issue.
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I'm not a teacher, and my English is not perfect either, but you yourself already say it is in bad shape, and I said it is not great, so we agree.
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There are many people hunting a job to settle in this country, people with more proper language skills and equal experience will beat you if you meet them hunting for the same job. You could also try other things like mover/cleaner. And it is hard to tell you where to apply if we have no clue about your papers and your experience.

Anyway, you appear hostile while it is you asking for help. Honest answers are not appreciated by you so why would I care or spend more time on you. Sort it out yourself I'd say.
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And what other skills did they have?

If you re-read your initial post, the common thread throughout is "my German is not good enough". Therefore it would be a good idea to focus on that, as improving your language skills is something entirely within your control.

Also when referring to the country, it is "Switzerland", not "Swiss".
And also important to know, from what country did they come?
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What are you talking about, we are in the free movement because we are EU. The only restrictions for Bulgarians are the B quotas. So to have a permission you need the job and the contract first. You are not so well informed.
That is the bit the means you don't have free movement. So you have noting to recommend you and it appears you have no intend to do anything to change that... so what do you expect us to recommend? That you don't bother to learn German while you are waiting, the it is not problem to find a low entry job without the local language....
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... your English is tbh also not great...
His English is actually pretty good. He needs a bit of advice on good practices -- paragraphing, simplifying the story, etc. -- but otherwise he's not bad at all.
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His English is actually pretty good. He needs a bit of advice on good practices -- paragraphing, simplifying the story, etc. -- but otherwise he's not bad at all.
It is, he has a hard time remembering to insert some mistakes
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I appreciate that you've had a tough time, and hope that things begin to work better for you.

I must say though that a good and proper rant, like a good and proper story of woe, requires a bit of time and attention to pull off well. And, what is nearly unforgivable, is to mix the two. You must begin by deciding if you are angry at your situation, or despondent. Then, and only then, can you properly shape the narrative in a way that attracts whichever sort of sympathy you desire.

I suppose that this might not be the advice that you expected, however, you've left me wondering what sort of advice you do expect.

Are you looking for encouragement to stay in an expensive country without a local language and without any skills that are in demand here? There are people who pull it off, but it is difficult and rare and not guaranteed. I would guess that the people who succeed put a lot of focus on learning a local language, making meaningful connections, and going about life with a cheerful vigor that makes others want to help.

I'm not sure what help you need, but really do wish you luck.

P.S. Paragraph breaks do make things easier to read and attention to detail is something that potential employers like to see. You don't have to be perfect, but taking the time to exercise even the basics of composition can do a lot to help people believe that you are neither lazy nor sloppy.
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First of all i want to say that i learn a lot from this forum and to thanks everyone here, also if the Admins decide this type thread is not for here just let me know.

Part 1 Germany

So here is my story, I am a 26 yo Bulgarian guy who moved from my country and decided to start a new and better life. Originally i always wanted to be in Swiss, but i agreed a Germany with a person who could help me at the start its still ok, i have relatives in Swiss as well and im familiar with the most of the Swiss specific things, overall i could say im well informed. So November i moved in Germany close to the Swiss border and started to live with my relative, we agreed on that he would help me with a job hunt and with the language which wasn't the best, honestly its still is not but definetly a lot better now. Everything well smooth with adress registraion, bank account and the phone number, but all of the problems started with job hunting. First i applied to Agentur for arbeit with a lot of hope, after few weeks they made me Termin, eventhough my bad language i still made a good conversation alone with the woman there, she told me that my langauge would be a problem and she just gave me a lists of few job agencys and that was all for me...lol Ok next step we did was, my relative was a going to his job agency where hes started at first, the woman theres was close to him to but she told us my language would be a problem again bacuase if they found me a job for example, i would embaras their job agency with my language WTF? Another dissapointment, well ok now next thing was that we decided to go a job center that was the worst, we went there all of the ladys were rude and disrespectfull and they told us we have to wait 3 months if a cant find a job then i can apply agian. After a few weeks i got a letter via post from the Agentur fur arbeit so they resend me to another job agency that they could offer me a job. That time of the Termin my relative was on work so i had to go alone there. When i went there that was the worst of the worst, they asked me if i speak German and i told them its not the best, and they told me to go home immidiately LOL, i said "Hey guys whats up with the Termin today? Can we at least try?" and they say no, i even call my relative to talk with them and they said the same things to him. Dissapointment after dissapointment, the things dont went as i expected, so i decided to left a Germany for a bit on a side, and to start seek on my own in my initial will and desired Switzerland.

Part 2 Switzerland

So after all this my desire was back and refreshed with a new hope now. My first job found was a bauarbeiter c near the Luzern region, we stayed in touch with the boss and aranging all the things for weeks, all was good he made me a contract and was really happy about it, i went to Luzern and arrange the details about the job, he is speaking good English so there wasnt any problems at all. Everthing was explained and arranged really well we both shaked our hands and signed the contracts one for me and one for him, so the next step was migrations permit, our agreement was he told me that we must need a permision to be ready first and then i can come and start working, he had to spoke with migrations and this usually takes around 1-2 weeks. So far so good, but guess what now, i was waiting for him around 4-5 weeks, overall i didnt wanted to be rude and forced him, i stil stayed in touch, the last thing he told around second week was he had to spoke with migrations and thats it, after that he stopped responding to me. I was waiting for him 5-6 weeks, no phone calls, no text, no nothing, what a joke really? At least he should have told me he don't want me anymore... why anyone respected owner of a couple of companys would do this and lie to me and the end, even after we both signed a contract, wasting both his and my time. To this day i still cant understand this. I was really annoyed but still didnt give up, next step was trying my luck with my CV via internet i applied in almost Swiss sites jobs.ch, jobsscout.ch, jobroom.ch, jobagent.ch 1000jobs.ch and many many more. My target jobs was bauarbeiter c, taxifahrer, deliveryfahrer or produktion mitarbeiter, all good for a beginer like me. To increase my chances although my relative doesnt like Swiss so much as I am, and he wanted me to with him in Germany, he aggreed to help me. I made both for me and him Swiss format CVs, and going for job hunt in job agencys in Zurich, well i will never forget this day for one day we applied in 10-15 job agencys, that was around 20km for day by foot since we dont have a car, at the end of the day i couldnt feel my legs LOL. A few weeks passed, and guess what? Of course another dissapointment, no response from any of the agencies. I countinued my the job search via the internet sites, finally i got a good response with a employer he was seeking a drivers for a taxi with the C drivers license, he told that he is interested in me, and its ready for a personal meeting, he gave me his personal number and was waiting for my call. He told me hes busy now and we are ready to meet next week, okay when tried to call him he didnt answer on his personal number, so i found the other number of the company for orders and i asked how cant i contanct him? I text him via the other number is he still interested in me? Guess what? Not a single response of course... Another dissapointment. Our relations with my relative started to get worse, because hes very sceptical about Swiss, and he doesnt believe I/We could find a job there, he told me he will not help me with anything anymore(mainly with the language) and from here im completely alone for anything Swiss related, GREAT. The next step was i met a Bulgarian friend who is very well familiar with Switzerland and he works there as Grenzganger, he recommended me a agency in Kreuzlingen who is actually good and do something, he told me he started from there even a helped a few of his friends as well. I was already sceptical about the agencys after all of this, but hey lets try again i got nothing to loose, i went with another friend there, and i was surprised there was very friendly lady who imidiately offered me a probetag in company as a produktion mitarbeiter, she contancted migrations and she told me that im allowed for a probetag, after a few days my friend drove me there and always went better that expected, i was little worried about the language but there wasnt any problems, i understood almost everything from the coleagues and the teamleader. Not the best at the work of course for first day but at the end of the day i could do almost everything alone. I was happy overall. The team leader told me at the end of the day that lady from the agency will give me a call. OK. Great news im almost there and guess what? OF COURSE, she wrote me e-mail that they chose another candidate over me. I tought i was just me so the deal was if they will gonna like me or not, but there was a few others so the company had choose from a few. GREAT!

So guys after all this, i need you now, im really out of options. What would be your recomendations after all this, that was really unfortunate but i am really motivated i WILL NEVER GIVE UP! A lot of friends told me that i had to start a German classes, thats right, but that will waste a lot of my time(8-9 months), i understand the good German is important but, i am long time unemployed, and finding a job is my first priority, i promised myself and everyone i will start a German course imidiatley after i finally got a job! Admins and mods sorry if this is not apropriate thread and its little bit ranty, i just need to share this with someone! So what you thinks guys, whats its my best option now, agencies, internet, employers? Any advice or help will be apreciated. Thank you.
I don't understand why you are so fixated on Switzerland... you have been 'unemployed for a long time' and yet choose the most difficult country for someone in your situation, who doesn't speak the local language, to find unskilled work? It makes little logical sense... surely it would be better if you go to a country where the job market is easier and you can actually start to build a life for yourself?
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Re: I am the unluckiest foreigner i the history of Switzerland

OP, about that Swiss job that didn't work out:
If someone says, like, I'll reply in two weeks but doesn't, you should absolutely contact them once that period has run out (plus a little margin of safety). In this case that could be in the middle of the 3rd week, no later than the 2nd half of the 3rd week. You could announce that in advance when confirming the 2-week delay, in which case you absolutely must do what you announced. This is about demonstrating reliability and continued interest in the job, and the will to pull through with what you started, all traits every employer is looking for in their (potential) employees.

Your learning German isn't just about improving that skill (though of course that's absolutely central regardless of the job), it's also about showing determination, willingness to learn and pulling through what you started. It isn't apparent why you don't start with a German course immediately, nothing keeps you from looking for a job at the same time. Many a potential employer may be put off by that lack alone.
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That is the bit the means you don't have free movement. So you have noting to recommend you and it appears you have no intend to do anything to change that... so what do you expect us to recommend? That you don't bother to learn German while you are waiting, the it is not problem to find a low entry job without the local language....
Restricted B quotas, that doesn't mean the Bulgarians are restricted to hunt or start a job in Switzerland, G or L permit is also a good start im not rushing for a B permit for he first time if i finally found a job, that's sure. Why you are so mean? I am changing my whole life now, not knowing the good German and that im not well qualified doesnt mean im not well informed, stupid, unmotivated or have nothing to offer. For the language i said it already in the original post, starting the job is my 1st priority.

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His English is actually pretty good. He needs a bit of advice on good practices -- paragraphing, simplifying the story, etc. -- but otherwise he's not bad at all.
Thank you, when i wrote it, as i said i haven't written a long post for a long time, i'm out of shape in written English.

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I appreciate that you've had a tough time, and hope that things begin to work better for you.

I must say though that a good and proper rant, like a good and proper story of woe, requires a bit of time and attention to pull off well. And, what is nearly unforgivable, is to mix the two. You must begin by deciding if you are angry at your situation, or despondent. Then, and only then, can you properly shape the narrative in a way that attracts whichever sort of sympathy you desire.

I suppose that this might not be the advice that you expected, however, you've left me wondering what sort of advice you do expect.

Are you looking for encouragement to stay in an expensive country without a local language and without any skills that are in demand here? There are people who pull it off, but it is difficult and rare and not guaranteed. I would guess that the people who succeed put a lot of focus on learning a local language, making meaningful connections, and going about life with a cheerful vigor that makes others want to help.

I'm not sure what help you need, but really do wish you luck.

P.S. Paragraph breaks do make things easier to read and attention to detail is something that potential employers like to see. You don't have to be perfect, but taking the time to exercise even the basics of composition can do a lot to help people believe that you are neither lazy nor sloppy.
Thanks for your opinion, i am little annoyed by the situation and yeah little bit desponent after all this but i have to be strong. I understand its diffucult in Switzerland, but i strongly believe the first steps are hard part for my journey, like a first job, learning the german at least b1-b2, making the good meaningfull connections, once i got them at least a little with the time i believe thing will get smoother for me.

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I don't understand why you are so fixated on Switzerland... you have been 'unemployed for a long time' and yet choose the most difficult country for someone in your situation, who doesn't speak the local language, to find unskilled work? It makes little logical sense... surely it would be better if you go to a country where the job market is easier and you can actually start to build a life for yourself?
Well, i have a personal reason to be there, its not only the high standart and the sallaries, also i like the way of living there and the whole country overall.

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OP, about that Swiss job that didn't work out:
If someone says, like, I'll reply in two weeks but doesn't, you should absolutely contact them once that period has run out (plus a little margin of safety). In this case that could be in the middle of the 3rd week, no later than the 2nd half of the 3rd week. You could announce that in advance when confirming the 2-week delay, in which case you absolutely must do what you announced. This is about demonstrating reliability and continued interest in the job, and the will to pull through with what you started, all traits every employer is looking for in their (potential) employees.

Your learning German isn't just about improving that skill (though of course that's absolutely central regardless of the job), it's also about showing determination, willingness to learn and pulling through what you started. It isn't apparent why you don't start with a German course immediately, nothing keeps you from looking for a job at the same time. Many a potential employer may be put off by that lack alone.
Hi, if you mean the employer from the Luzern who lied me, i kept contact with him trough the whole 2 weeks, but after that he stopped respond to me, i was i kept calling him and texting him but no response during the whole waiting procees (5-6weeks) even after we bot shaked hands and signed a contract.
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In this reply ill try to made a things simplier, because i thinks theres a lot a of misunderstanings and some i things i forgot to mention.

"You are not qualified, you dont show any diplomas or paper how could we want to help you?" - Originally, i graduated a sport school, i compete in the past and i am a boxing trainer as well. I have a connections in some box clubs in Switzerland, and i know a few boxing trainers in my city where i first came in my relatives town, when i was actively trained there i spoke with them and they told me, i cant either compete again to play for the club for a living or either be a trainer, all of them are having separate main jobs and going in the box gym as a second income/part time. Also good German is required for a trainer and im aware of that. I think being a coach is not my best first option, and is not enough good for make it for a living. THATS WHY IM SEEKING FOR A LOW QUALITY STARTING JOB!!!

"Your English is not enough good too, like your German." - I am sorry everyone for making your eyes bleed in the first post, not making it in separate paragraphs, im saying it for the last time, i haven't written so long i was little bit annoyed because of my situation when i wrote it i completely forgot for the paragraphing. From now on ill not forget if i make another long posts.

"Improving your German, is the key to increase your employment chances." - I understand that is one of the key things, but i really need job first, understand my point of view guys, 8-9 months (for b1) going for a course and still be unemployed. Im saying it one more time, that doesn't mean i dont want learn the language i still keep improving it everyday with talking with friends, learning it online, writing down a new words in my books... etc. After finding a job i will start the German course imidiately.

"What the heck are you doing here in Switzerland, the most difficult country for person in your situation?" - Switzerland is one the most difficult countries to settle in and starting a new life here, im aware of almost all of the Swiss related, things specific swiss rules, cantonal diferences, dealing with Swiss mentality, dealing with migrations as a foreigner, language barier betweeen High and Swiss German, flooded market for job seek because of higher demand on a lot of people wanting to live here.... and many many more.

Although all of this, is it really so hard and impossible for me to finally have some luck and got a job here, if the minimum is B1 for a most of non skilled/quality, having a around A2 is it really that impossible for me? Originaly im really competetive and motivated person, no matter what happened i really don't give up easy. I have been lied and rejected, yeah thats bad and sucks, but what if next time i had a correct employer and maybe he will give me my chance eventhough Im A2 German? Or maybe the next agency calling me for a probetag will be my lucky shot for a start.

I know i had no luck by far, but when i managed trough here even with my unlucky attempts, i don't see it so impossible as everyone said it in the whole thread. I'm not perfect i also made a lot of mistakes in the past like not learning a language, wasting my time on stupid things, not gather the right information or making a good connections abroad, which also are involved for a situation im in now and in not a proud of them.

To all the foreigners here, is everyone was here with good German at the start? Or got a job right at the begining? Had a right connections? Knowing every piece of right information? Of course not, as we know every new beggining its hard for most of us. I'm just seeking for a new and better life, myself to be better than tommorow, not repeating my past mistakes and have a good and normal life, and my opinion Switzerland is the place for this.

I am very motivated, but i don't want to sound it like a excuse, but i think after all this s*it i just don't have a luck. I have seen a people with a far worse language and connections who have maneged to start it here, why a person willing to succed like me more than evertyhing, couldn't make it?

Hey Swiss veterans i'm waiting for your best advice/help on this situation. Whats the best place for job seek? Which canton has the best chance for a emplyoment for low skilled job? Recommending me some places/meetups/groups for making a good connections, and maybe improving my spoken German? Is there any people in this forum offer some kind of employment? Am I missing something important fact, detail or information? Is my situation too bad, that i should i forget for Switzerland?

This is the type of information/things im looking for, I hope that post makes things clearer now, any opinion/advice/help is aprecieted. Have a good all.
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Re: I am the unluckiest foreigner i the history of Switzerland

Oh that's going to be hard...


Where do you live now? In Switzerland or Germany?


What could you do (if you struggle for money etc.)
1. Go to Germany, buy some old car (if possible) and drive as Uber driver (many Ukrainians do that in Poland without a language - reason it app tells you everything you need to know, and there will be no misunderstandings in where to go and what is the price). - do this in DE as in CH I am not sure how a permit would work in such case and you should not risk to do that illegally.


AND



2. Look for a job as 'lime juicer' or something similar at competition (eg. https://web.limebike.com/juicer )


AND


3 Do everything you can to learn German as soon as possible, do it online, with friends, maybe with some teacher over skype (tend to be much cheaper than local courses).


AND


4. Think of qualification if you don't have any, eg. get trained as electrician or plumber (these seem to be always in demand) - best to do that in Switzerland.


1 and 2 should ensure at least minimal cash flow and let you survive through 3 and 4. I won't be easy though.


ps. Of course there are qualifications through which requirement for local language is waived (like software developers, various jobs at banks etc) but I assume you don't have such in your hand.


Good luck!


ps2. And maybe change your attitude a bit, I get it's frustrating but showing that to people around will push them away and lower your chances even further.
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