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Re: Fired without notice or pay - against work contract

OP, Have you been working from home at all before you gave notice? If yes, you might tell HR that you would like to continue to do so.

I completely symphathize with you. To be hired and then be left without any concrete tasks to do can be incredibly frustrating. You did well to find a way out of the situation. If I were you I would avoid unnecessary confrontations at this time.

You have only 6 weeks left. There is the 1st of May and then the Ascension and the 10th of June ahead. Go to to the office, finish off your minor tasks, while away the rest of your time by responding to threads on EF like all the members here replying to yours are doing. Call in sick 1 day and the 6 weeks will be over before you know it.

All this time, stay cool, have a smile on your face and don't give your boss the satisfaction of knowing he is getting to you.

Good luck with the new job.
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Old 19.04.2019, 07:17
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OP, Have you been working from home at all before you gave notice? If yes, you might tell HR that you would like to continue to do so.

I completely symphathize with you. To be hired and then be left without any concrete tasks to do can be incredibly frustrating. You did well to find a way out of the situation. If I were you I would avoid unnecessary confrontations at this time.

You have only 6 weeks left. There is the 1st of May and then the Ascension and the 10th of June ahead. Go to to the office, finish off your minor tasks, while away the rest of your time by responding to threads on EF like all the members here replying to yours are doing. Call in sick 1 day and the 6 weeks will be over before you know it.

All this time, stay cool, have a smile on your face and don't give your boss the satisfaction of knowing he is getting to you.

Good luck with the new job.
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Yes, I’ve been working from home one day per week. (Which is the general amount allowed unless more is arranged with your manager.) I have some colleagues who work from home 3-4 days per week.
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Yes, I’ve been working from home one day per week. (Which is the general amount allowed unless more is arranged with your manager.) I have some colleagues who work 3-4 days per week.
It sounds like you just need to suck it up and play nice for 6 weeks... 1 day home office a week is more than many people get so just be a mature adult and do what is asked of you without throwing your toys out of the pram until the contract ends. You are temporarily getting paid to essentially do nothing, and how man people in this world can say that?
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Re: Fired without notice or pay - against work contract

You don’t know me at all, how am I child for wanting to work for my pay? In no way am I feeling sorry for myself...I simply wanted to work for home and my boss retaliated. I wanted to know my rights.

There are some real jerks on this forum who like to take their misery out on others. Perhaps you are unemployed & pissed off?
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Old 19.04.2019, 10:26
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You don’t know me at all, how am I child for wanting to work for my pay? In no way am I feeling sorry for myself...I simply wanted to work for home and my boss retaliated. I wanted to know my rights.

There are some real jerks on this forum who like to take their misery out on others. Perhaps you are unemployed & pissed off?
What is allowed was lined out for you, if you like it or not. And it seems you do not have a right to work from home for a week. Simple as that.

Your boss may not be a nice person but retaliating is a harsh word for denying something that wasn´t yours to start with.
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Old 19.04.2019, 10:38
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What is allowed was lined out for you, if you like it or not. And it seems you do not have a right to work from home for a week. Simple as that.

Your boss may not be a nice person but retaliating is a harsh word for denying something that wasn´t yours to start with.
How is trying to fire me without pay not retaliation? My post wasn’t even about working from home rights...it’s simply how this story began.
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Old 19.04.2019, 11:05
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How is trying to fire me without pay not retaliation? My post wasn’t even about working from home rights...it’s simply how this story began.
It’s a simple equation - you want to get paid then you turn up and do as your manager tells you. If you don’t need the money then just do what you want.

Now stop posting nonsense here because you have probably posted enough here for both your present and future employers to identify you.

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Thanks a lot

Yes, I’ve been working from home one day per week. (Which is the general amount allowed unless more is arranged with your manager.) I have some colleagues who work from home 3-4 days per week.
Since the week after Easter is a 4 day one, I would say work your normal 1 day home office and the 3 days will be over before you know it.
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You are temporarily getting paid to essentially do nothing, and how man people in this world can say that?
Some people might prefer sitting in an office twiddling their fingers and nodding their heads but it is not for everyone. Some of us want their time to be worth something, especially if we are commuting a long distance to be in an office where we are bored of our mind or if we are kept away from our families because of the long commute.

Most people wouldn't understand the sentiment and I don't expect them to do.
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There are some real jerks on this forum who like to take their misery out on others. Perhaps you are unemployed & pissed off?
They are jealous because you have the guts to leave a well paid job because the work does not match up to your skills. They are stuck at jobs that they hate but have nowhere to go.
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Old 19.04.2019, 16:26
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Re: Fired without notice or pay - against work contract

The tread title is total BS, she was never fired.

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They are jealous because you have the guts to leave a well paid job because the work does not match up to your skills. They are stuck at jobs that they hate but have nowhere to go.
No, we are annoyed of the childish behaviour in this topic of an OP who agreed to a contract with all the duty's and responsibilities that belong to it, now she does not like it anymore she wants to change things on her terms. Now what you and OP seem to fail to understand is that such is not how the grown up world works. If she wants the money she has to live up to the contract or show the guts to tell the employer he can keep his money and his job and walk out.
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Old 19.04.2019, 16:40
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No, we are annoyed of the childish behaviour in this topic of an OP who agreed to a contract with all the duty's and responsibilities that belong to it, now she does not like it anymore she wants to change things on her terms. Now what you and OP seem to fail to understand is that such is not how the grown up world works. If she wants the money she has to live up to the contract or show the guts to tell the employer he can keep his money and his job and walk out.
Why do you care? She asked a question, you and others have given your answers. Why come back and call her names?

She feels that her boss is trying to make her life difficult and she is trying to know her rights. There is nothing wrong with that.
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Re: Fired without notice or pay - against work contract

OP, how do you pass the time all day with this non-existent workload? I’m genuinely curious. Thanks.
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Why do you care? She asked a question, you and others have given your answers. Why come back and call her names?

She feels that her boss is trying to make her life difficult and she is trying to know her rights. There is nothing wrong with that.
And why do you care to defend an OP who groans even at the correct posts, just because they don't treat her like the snowflake she seems to be and don't respect the rights she wishes to have but that don't exist in real life.

A typical case of White knighting I'd say.
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Old 19.04.2019, 17:10
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Re: Fired without notice or pay - against work contract

AFAIK, according to Swiss law the notice period is one month for the first year of employment, in both directions.
Let's say the first month of new employment for OP is not so smooth - does not matter how or why - then the new employer might decide to have a look at the last months in the old employment, and possibly make a couple of calls.

My point is that having a strong dispute over the contract in the last weeks might cause damages regardless on who's actually right. I recommend the OP to just stick to what contract and/or line manager say, and invest as less energies as possible into fighting at the old workplace. You already gave your notice, that's already the strongest message you could give. I know it's a bit sad or unfair to read, but it's only going to be 6 weeks, better keep a low profile and just count the days, and save energies to have a fresh new start and look better at the new place
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Old 19.04.2019, 17:12
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Re: Fired without notice or pay - against work contract

To the OP, I did a Google search and found these:

https://www.seco.admin.ch/seco/de/ho...n1555682212093

https://www.personalradar.ch/arbeits...eitsrecht/8892

According to the above, absence is a less serious reason for dismissal without notice and the following.

"weniger schwerwiegende Verfehlungen können erst nach vorangeangener Abmahnung zur fristlosen Kündigung führen"

which says, in such cases, the dismissal is only possible after a warning by the employer.

So it seems it is not so easy to fire someone without notice unless they commit a serious offence.

Still I am not an expert in employment law and I advise you to tread carefully if you cannot afford to lose 1 months' wages.
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To the OP, I did a Google search and found these:

https://www.seco.admin.ch/seco/de/ho...n1555682212093

https://www.personalradar.ch/arbeits...eitsrecht/8892

According to the above, absence is a less serious reason for dismissal without notice and the following.

"weniger schwerwiegende Verfehlungen können erst nach vorangeangener Abmahnung zur fristlosen Kündigung führen"

which says, in such cases, the dismissal is only possible after a warning by the employer.

So it seems it is not so easy to fire someone without notice unless they commit a serious offence.

Still I am not an expert in employment law and I advise you to tread carefully if you cannot afford to lose 1 months' wages.
Which is why several of us already posted, that if she stays home she can get the proper warning, and if she still does not show up she applies for immediate dismissal.
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With respect, that's a travesty of the position she outlined.

I've been using EF for 9 years, and it always amazes me that people jump in so aggressively, and feel so personally invested in the situation of some stranger on the internet. And when the stranger on the internet reacts defensively to the aggression, this becomes the justification for the attack -- 'she was asking for it with an attitude like that'.

Most people who ask questions like this are confused, hurt, annoyed, maybe even scared or desperate. I mean in general, not particularly this OP. And yet so often they get scolded and abused. A little more understanding towards someone who is upset is never a bad thing. There is always the option of not answering. It's not mandatory.

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Old 20.04.2019, 16:23
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OP, how do you pass the time all day with this non-existent workload? I’m genuinely curious. Thanks.
Looking for other jobs...finally worked.

Thanks to many of you for your nice words, not sure why so many feel the need to jump to conclusions and to be outright rude.
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