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Tipp 1: Melden Sie sich sofort nach der Kündigung beim RAV an. So erhalten Sie umfassende Infos über Ihre Pflichten während der Kündigungsfrist und Unterstützung bei der Stellensuche.


Tip 1: Log in to the RAV immediately after termination. This gives you complete information about your duties during the notice period and job search assistance.

https://www.beobachter.ch/arbeit/arb...-sie-kurzungen
Tip 2: Don't be so stubborn, you are wrong.

You can register without getting "fined" latest the 1st day of your unemployment.

https://awa.zh.ch/internet/volkswirt...anmeldung.html

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Old 15.05.2019, 16:27
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Tip 2: Don't be so stubborn, you are wrong.

You can register without getting "fined" latest the 1st day of your unemployment.

https://awa.zh.ch/internet/volkswirt...anmeldung.html

Now go troll elsewhere.
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Also stated: "Bereits während der Kündigungsfrist muss die Stellensuche aufgenommen werden, ansonsten drohen Einstelltage – und damit weniger Arbeitslosengeld "

"Already during the notice period, the job search must be started, otherwise threatening days of adjustment - and thus less unemployment benefits"
Being registered at the RAV is by no means needed to send out application letters.
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Old 15.05.2019, 16:30
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Also stated: "Bereits während der Kündigungsfrist muss die Stellensuche aufgenommen werden, ansonsten drohen Einstelltage – und damit weniger Arbeitslosengeld "

"Already during the notice period, the job search must be started, otherwise threatening days of adjustment - and thus less unemployment benefits"
Yes, nobody is disputing that the job search has to start immediately but where does it say:

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Apply to RAV immediately. Otherwise your unemployment benefits will be delayed a month or so.
Are you not suggesting here that if you don't present yourself at the offices of the RAV immediately, you will suffer a penalty? If so, you are wrong, as others have pointed out.
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Old 15.05.2019, 16:32
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Yes, nobody is disputing that the job search has to start immediately but where does it say:



Are you not suggesting here that if you don't present yourself at the offices of the RAV immediately, you will suffer a penalty? If so, you are wrong, as others have pointed out.
sorry bit of a mistake there. I understood it so but obviously its not so.
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Old 15.05.2019, 19:19
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Being registered at the RAV is by no means needed to send out application letters.
I know this. I sent out quite a few applications and even got another offer. But I had to decline because of this health issue that I have been signed off sick for in the meantime, which will take some time to address, treat and recover from.
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Old 15.05.2019, 19:23
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Tipp 1: Melden Sie sich sofort nach der Kündigung beim RAV an. So erhalten Sie umfassende Infos über Ihre Pflichten während der Kündigungsfrist und Unterstützung bei der Stellensuche.


Tip 1: Log in to the RAV immediately after termination. This gives you complete information about your duties during the notice period and job search assistance.

https://www.beobachter.ch/arbeit/arb...-sie-kurzungen
You're quoting a magazine article....
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Old 15.05.2019, 19:26
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I know this. I sent out quite a few applications and even got another offer. But I had to decline because of this health issue that I have been signed off sick for in the meantime, which will take some time to address, treat and recover from.
If you are signed off on a health issue, then the notice period is suspended in any case and you don't need to do a job search. I assume you have informed your employer.
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Old 15.05.2019, 19:31
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I thought a person was supposed to register with RAV as soon as they know they'll be unemployed, otherwise there are penalties in terms of when payment start. If you're then sick or whatever they deal with it accordingly.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, it's happened a lot this week. I'd hate for OP to have a reduction in payments while at the same time facing medical issues.
Thanks, 3Wishes. Yes, I am aware of what the RAV requirements are regarding job searches. When I did contracting work, I started looking three months before the end of my gig, and even before registering with RAV. I downloaded the sheets and filled them out and presented them to the RAV when I registered and there was no Wartezeit or penalty.

But in this instance I received a diagnosis during my notice period and was signed off sick by two doctors. I will need surgery and there will be a recovery/rehabilitation period as well and it could take many months, possibly even up to a year. So there's no point in looking any further (I had been job hunting and received an offer, which I had to decline) as I am unable to work at the moment or for the foreseeable future.

But my point is that I just received my Work Certificate/Zeugnis and there is a phrase in there which is arbitrary and needs to be removed. Even my lawyer said as much since it could potentially hurt my job search in the future. There was nothing derogatory said about me or my job performance otherwise. Just that one phrase needs to go, and I wanted to know what remedies were available or what legal body I could consult myself so I could keep the costs down. The Arbeitsgericht was mentioned, and now the RAV. Are there any other options. Thanks again!
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Old 15.05.2019, 19:40
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If you are signed off on a health issue, then the notice period is suspended in any case and you don't need to do a job search. I assume you have informed your employer.
Yes, my (now former) employer is/was aware. My notice period is finished, and I remain on sick leave through the insurance I had while I was employed.
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Old 15.05.2019, 19:49
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I just received my Work Certificate/Zeugnis and there is a phrase in there which is arbitrary and needs to be removed.
What is the phrase, exactly?

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Old 15.05.2019, 20:07
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But in this instance I received a diagnosis during my notice period and was signed off sick by two doctors. I will need surgery and there will be a recovery/rehabilitation period as well and it could take many months, possibly even up to a year. So there's no point in looking any further (I had been job hunting and received an offer, which I had to decline) as I am unable to work at the moment or for the foreseeable future.



Whilst i commiserate with you about this health issue, up to a year off work sounds a huge amount of time...


I had a double hip operation and was traveling albeit carefully 3 weeks later and major back surgery i took 2 weeks out of the office....


1 year is a lot of time.....
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Old 15.05.2019, 20:08
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I had a double hip operation and was traveling albeit carefully 3 weeks later
3 weeks? Wow, though that would take a lot longer!
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Re: Work Certificate issue

When you are unable to work for health issues, look into the insurance that pays your income while sick. This is an insurance which companies take out to insure the salary of employees so they dont have to pay sick employees. You can continue this insurance (but only coming out of employment) to insure your income while sick and on the RAV. Because the RAV does not pay sick people that cannot look for a job ! They will then refer you to this insurance, and if you dont have it, tough luck.

So, ask your employer for a form to continue this insurance yourself after you become unemployed. The insurance may pay your income while unemployed and unable to look for job.
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Old 15.05.2019, 21:01
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3 weeks? Wow, though that would take a lot longer!

Birmingham hip replacement, far quicker recovery but a lot more expensive and technical than a chop and change of ball joint
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Yes, my (now former) employer is/was aware. My notice period is finished, and I remain on sick leave through the insurance I had while I was employed.
Your notice period is not finished, it is suspended until such time as you are certified well again and then it continues... In my case, some eager beaver in accounting noticed I had actually been sick on one day during my 6 months notice period and I ended up with an extra month's salary.
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Old 16.05.2019, 00:00
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When you are unable to work for health issues, look into the insurance that pays your income while sick. This is an insurance which companies take out to insure the salary of employees so they dont have to pay sick employees. You can continue this insurance (but only coming out of employment) to insure your income while sick and on the RAV. Because the RAV does not pay sick people that cannot look for a job ! They will then refer you to this insurance, and if you dont have it, tough luck.
Well first of all if you become sick during the notice period it is suspended until you are certified well again and you are paid as normal if sick while employed.

When you leave the company you are entitled to an offer to cover you for loss of income insurance on similar conditions as when you were employed. You can accept it or not as you wish as it will have no impact on your cover by SUVA while unemployed. If you do however the payouts will be reduced to take account of the insurance payout.

The RAV does not pay you for anything, that is the job of the Kasse. And you are covered via SUV for up to 20 days sick leave while unemployed.
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