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Old 27.05.2019, 18:56
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You're penalised by not having anything to calculate it on since the figures are worked out on what you earned in the last 6 months. So unemployed for a year = earned nothing = no RAV payments.
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Or 12 months, if it's to your advantage.

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So if one applies to RAV 6 months after becoming unemployed, then he receives what?

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Old 27.05.2019, 20:26
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Can somebody confirm both of these claims?


If this is true, then if one applies to RAV 12 months after becoming unemployed, he receives nothing, as the average over 12 months of unemployment is CHF0.0.


But if one applies to RAV 6 months after becoming unemployed, then he receives what? An unemployment benefit that is averaged over 12 month period, meaning one would get 50% of RAV salary (average of 6months salary+6 months unemployed)?
Unemployment pay is calculated when a Rahmenfrist is opened based on the higher of previous average 6 months or previous 12 months. Insured salary is 70/80% of those earnings.
You should apply to open a Rahemnfrist at the latest, the first day of unemployment.
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Old 27.05.2019, 20:31
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Unemployment pay is calculated when a Rahmenfrist is opened based on the higher of previous average 6 months or previous 12 months. Insured salary is 70/80% of those earnings.
You should apply to open a Rahemnfrist at the latest, the first day of unemployment.

What's then the unemployment benefits "salary" then if Rahemnfrist is opened 6 months after the first day of unemployment?
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Old 27.05.2019, 20:34
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What's then the unemployment benefits "salary" then if Rahemnfrist is opened 6 months after the first day of unemployment?
Not getting any money for some time after that as there are some rules on when you should apply
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What's then the unemployment benefits "salary" then if Rahemnfrist is opened 6 months after the first day of unemployment?
Exactly what I wrote, it's based on average salary over the previous 12 months as that will be higher than average salary over the previous 6 months.
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Old 28.05.2019, 13:16
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Exactly what I wrote, it's based on average salary over the previous 12 months as that will be higher than average salary over the previous 6 months.

so if one received 6 last salaries of 5000CHF over the 6 month period, had then quit his job, and waited 6 months before applying to RAV, then his RAV salary would be:
(6*5000CHF+6*0CHF)/12 month = 2500CHF/month


Is this correct?


Or to generalize, waiting 6 months before applying on RAV, results in halving down of RAV salary?
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so if one received 6 last salaries of 5000CHF over the 6 month period, had then quit his job, and waited 6 months before applying to RAV, then his RAV salary would be:
(6*5000CHF+6*0CHF)/12 month = 2500CHF/month


Is this correct?


Or to generalize, waiting 6 months before applying on RAV, results in halving down of RAV salary?
It looks this way, yes. According to he law (Art. 10), a person is considered to be full-time unemployed only if that person does not have any work relationship; is seeking a full-time job; and is registered with the local employment office. If my French serves me right.

And since the calculation is based on the 6-12 months prior to unemployment, waiting 6 months to register will impact your compensation.
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claiming unemployment benefits

Hi. one had worked and had resided in Switzerland for more than 12 months in the last 24 months. Then one had quit his job due to health related reasons and had also left Switzerland. However, the situation had changed and one would like to return to Switzerland in order to work and live here.

Can in such case one return to Switzerland to look for a job while keep receiving unemployment benefits? One is from EU country.
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Old 08.07.2019, 16:35
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Re: claiming unemployment benefits

Have a search on the forum for similar threads but if you quit (or if "one has quit" ), you are not immediately eligible for unemployment benefits. The benefits are there mainly for people who lose their jobs through no fault of their own.

Either way, you should be shooting off as many applications as you can to secure a new job. The RAV office is a lot happier if "one" is doing one's best to get back into work.
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Re: claiming unemployment benefits

Rather than duplicate answers already received, I have merged OP's newest thread into the original. Hopefully the additional context helps.
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Have a search on the forum for similar threads but if you quit (or if "one has quit" ), you are not immediately eligible for unemployment benefits.
How long in total should I wait before i would receive first payment of unemployment benefit?wait 3 months so i would be able to claim jobseeker permit and another 3 months as a penalty from RAV, therefore 6 months in total of waiting?
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How long in total should I wait before i would receive first payment of unemployment benefit?wait 3 months so i would be able to claim jobseeker permit and another 3 months as a penalty from RAV, therefore 6 months in total of waiting?
You want to apply for a job seekers permit and then RAV? Better get your paperwork out on what periods you did work.


Not sure if you can apply at all as you are not a resident.
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Old 08.07.2019, 17:43
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Re: claiming unemployment benefits

I assume you're an EU national, so wouldn't be able to apply for the job seeker permit for the first 3 months here anyway. That would only be issued if you haven't found a job in that time and you're going to have to show you have the funds to support yourself while you job hunt - and that won't include unemployment benefit. If you can't show you have several thousand already in your bank account you won't get the permit.
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I assume you're an EU national, so wouldn't be able to apply for the job seeker permit for the first 3 months here anyway. That would only be issued if you haven't found a job in that time and you're going to have to show you have the funds to support yourself while you job hunt - and that won't include unemployment benefit. If you can't show you have several thousand already in your bank account you won't get the permit.
So however you look at it, there would be no residency permit issued before 3 months of waiting.and when residency permit finally would be issued, one would qualify to apply for registration at RAV office, but had to wait another 3months to receive 1st unemployment benefit as one had quit job by himself.so as said before,one would need to wait 6months before receiving 1st unemployment benefit from RAV?
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Re: claiming unemployment benefits

And the chance of not getting a job seekers permit at all if you cannot show you have enough funds.

Why do you think you are still entitled to RAV anyway?
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And the chance of not getting a job seekers permit at all if you cannot show you have enough funds.

Why do you think you are still entitled to RAV anyway?
Because worked 12+months in last 24 months.
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Re: claiming unemployment benefits

I've been reading the thread and am really confused. Both by the questions and by the answers.

Miekke, is this the situation?
You (or the person about whom you are asking)
  1. are/is an EU Citizen
  2. lived and worked in Switzerland with a valid permit some time during the past 24 months
  3. was employed for at least 12 of those last 24 months
  4. resigned
  5. did not Register with RAV to claim unemployment benefits at the time
  6. deregistered and left Switzerland, thereby losing the permit.


Now, you/he/she
  1. does not have a job in the EU country
  2. does not have a job lined up in Switzerland
  3. would like to return to Switzerland
  4. will be seeking employment in Switzerland
  5. would like to claim unemployment benefits if possible, while job-seeking.

Have I understood all those points correctly?
Could you please confirm or correct me, so that then maybe someone could advise you more specifically? Thanks.
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I've been reading the thread and am really confused. Both by the questions and by the answers.

Miekke, is this the situation?
You (or the person about whom you are asking)
  1. are/is an EU Citizen YES
  2. lived and worked in Switzerland with a valid permit some time during the past 24 months YES
  3. was employed for at least 12 of those last 24 months YES
  4. resigned YES
  5. did not Register with RAV to claim unemployment benefits at the time YES
  6. deregistered and left Switzerland, thereby losing the permit. YES


Now, you/he/she
  1. does not have a job in the EU country YES
  2. does not have a job lined up in Switzerland YES
  3. would like to return to Switzerland YES
  4. will be seeking employment in Switzerland YES
  5. would like to claim unemployment benefits if possible, while job-seeking. YES

Have I understood all those points correctly?
Could you please confirm or correct me, so that then maybe someone could advise you more specifically? Thanks.
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Because worked 12+months in last 24 months.
If this just means your time in Switzerland I think it already ran out because that would be 12+ months before Sept 2017 a far as I can see. If you mean in another EU country then you may eventually get unemployment, but for how long?
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Re: claiming unemployment benefits

@miekke
Maybe it would help if you gave us a timeline with STARTING month and ENDING month, for any of that apply to you.
  • Work started in an EU country before coming to Switzerland
  • Work ended in an EU country before coming to Switzerland
  • Permit started in Switzerland
  • Work started in Switzerland
  • Work ended in Switzerland
  • Permit ended in Switzerland
  • Work started in any EU country after leaving Switzerland
  • Work ended in any EU country after leaving Switzerland

I ask because some unemployment offices of some countries have reciprocal agreements, and if you are lucky and fulfil all the requriements, that might apply to you.
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