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miekke 11.09.2017 22:56

Unemployment benefits
 
Hi,

In the last 24 months I have worked in Switzerland in the field of engineering for about 10 months. After finishing with my assignment (contract expired) I have returned my L-permit, unregistered from municipality and then left CH. Now I would like to return to CH in order to live and work there. I would seek for a job while residing in Switzerland.

  • I would like to know, if I may be entitled to any unemployment benefits while residing in CH?

Based on info found this forum, I am not entitled to unemployment benefits, as I wasn't employed in CH for at least 12 months in the last 24 months, which is a precondition for non-swiss nationalities. However, things could be different in reality. Anyone heard that RAV would make an exception for those who are close to 12 months of employment?


Residing in CH without income is simply too expensive and I don't think that I'd be able to make it without unemployment support.

Guest 11.09.2017 23:00

Re: Unemployment benefits
 
You would also need to bring evidence of serious job applications, approximately 10 to 12 per month going back to the time when you found out you would be unemployed.

I'm not sure whether they would make any exceptions for the two months short you are from the qualifying period. The rules are not just for non-Swiss, they are the same for anyone applying for unemployment benefit.

They are pretty strict and rigid when it comes to the rules. Where isn't?

EdwinNL 11.09.2017 23:01

Re: Unemployment benefits
 
12 months is a line which is hard enough not to be broken by "about 10 months"

miekke 11.09.2017 23:15

Re: Unemployment benefits
 
I can bring evidence applications to RAV, that's not a problem. Regardless, I don't fullfill 12months rule and rules are strict, so I can forget on this for now.

What are remaining options?

a) find some irrelevant & temporary employment to fill that 2 month gap and then hopefully get on employment support, in case I wouldn't find relevant job in that time frame.

b) get job seeker permit, although I don't know what would be the benefit of this, except being obligated to pay health insurance

c) exploit 3 month tourist permit and get on job seeker permit afterwards, if still unsuccessful with finding a relevant job.

roegner 12.09.2017 06:25

Re: Unemployment benefits
 
Apply for benefits where you live now, try to find a job in Switzerland and then move back again.

Medea Fleecestealer 12.09.2017 07:39

Re: Unemployment benefits
 
The 12 month rule is pretty much set in stone so I don't think that's an option.

Unfortunately, looks like you shouldn't have deregistered. On a short stay permit you are allowed to be here for another 6 months, funds permitting and with authorisation from the cantonal migration office, to job hunt.

https://www.ch.ch/en/foreign-nationa...d-switzerland/

Whether that applies when working on a contract assignment I don't know. Might also depend on how much time was left on the L permit.

If you can afford it you could come as a tourist for up to 3 months to see if you can find anything. If not, then providing you still have sufficient funds to support yourself you can apply for a job seekers L permit for another 3 months.

Note that even if you get a job in your home country for a few months to make up the time difference if you move back here you'll only be entitled to 3 months unemployment benefit. That's the way it works if you cross borders and claim unemployment payments anywhere in Europe I believe.

Note also that more and more emphasis is being put on Swiss employers to hire people who already live and work here (B/C permit holders) so even coming as a tourist and/or getting an L permit doesn't necessarily mean you'll be able to find something.

The best way would be to get a job in your home country and then apply for jobs here. That way you can support yourself while job hunting. If your skills are in demand then hopefully you'll get something.

Samaire13 12.09.2017 08:48

Re: Unemployment benefits
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by miekke (Post 2845405)
However, things could be different in reality. Anyone heard that RAV would make an exception for those who are close to 12 months of employment?

Highly unlikely or rather: no.
The 12-months rule is also not just for "non-Swiss citizens", but applies to everyone.

I'm assuming you are an EU citizen, otherwise forget about that whole "moving and residing here while looking for a job" right away.

Best to stay where you are no matter what and once you find a job, move back.

If you can't afford to live here without a job, then don't move here. Unemployment benefits are not there to finance the life of a currently non-resident who just wishes to find a job here.

miekke 12.09.2017 09:48

Re: Unemployment benefits
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Medea Fleecestealer (Post 2845464)
The 12 month rule is pretty much set in stone so I don't think that's an option.

Unfortunately, looks like you shouldn't have deregistered. On a short stay permit you are allowed to be here for another 6 months, funds permitting and with authorisation from the cantonal migration office, to job hunt.

https://www.ch.ch/en/foreign-nationa...d-switzerland/

Whether that applies when working on a contract assignment I don't know. Might also depend on how much time was left on the L permit.

If you can afford it you could come as a tourist for up to 3 months to see if you can find anything. If not, then providing you still have sufficient funds to support yourself you can apply for a job seekers L permit for another 3 months.

Note that even if you get a job in your home country for a few months to make up the time difference if you move back here you'll only be entitled to 3 months unemployment benefit. That's the way it works if you cross borders and claim unemployment payments anywhere in Europe I believe.

Note also that more and more emphasis is being put on Swiss employers to hire people who already live and work here (B/C permit holders) so even coming as a tourist and/or getting an L permit doesn't necessarily mean you'll be able to find something.

Currently I am employed, but contract is going to expire in next month anyways.

And how did you calculate those 3 months of benefits entitlement, that being in the best case? I must have miss-looked this information, when reading rules defined by RAV.

Quote:

The best way would be to get a job in your home country and then apply for jobs here. That way you can support yourself while job hunting. If your skills are in demand then hopefully you'll get something.
Of course. However, I assumed that moving in CH and trying job seeking from there, because I find seeking a job over internet being very hard. I was hoping that by getting on L-permit, living in CH and finally getting a help from RAV would significantly boost my chances. Please elaborate on this one. If this strategy is wrong, then everything else is pretty much pointless.

roegner 12.09.2017 09:50

Re: Unemployment benefits
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by miekke (Post 2845528)
I was hoping that by getting on L-permit, living in CH and finally getting a help from RAV would significantly boost my chances. Please elaborate on this one. If this strategy is wrong, then everything else is pretty much pointless.

Not really, RAV would point you to the same websites that you now have access to.

Medea Fleecestealer 12.09.2017 10:03

Re: Unemployment benefits
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by miekke (Post 2845528)
Currently I am employed, but contract is going to expire in next month anyways.

And how did you calculate those 3 months of benefits entitlement, that being in the best case? I must have miss-looked this information, when reading rules defined by RAV.



Of course. However, I assumed that moving in CH and trying job seeking from there, because I find seeking a job over internet being very hard. I was hoping that by getting on L-permit, living in CH and finally getting a help from RAV would significantly boost my chances. Please elaborate on this one. If this strategy is wrong, then everything else is pretty much pointless.

Because that is all that's allowed if you cross borders. Say you'd worked here for the 12 months and then moved to the UK. Then all that you're entitled to as unemployment in the UK is 3 months. If you have 10 months here and then work for 2 months in your home country before coming back here it's still just the 3 months because you've crossed borders.

Samaire13 12.09.2017 10:27

Re: Unemployment benefits
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by miekke (Post 2845528)
Of course. However, I assumed that moving in CH and trying job seeking from there, because I find seeking a job over internet being very hard. I was hoping that by getting on L-permit, living in CH and finally getting a help from RAV would significantly boost my chances. Please elaborate on this one. If this strategy is wrong, then everything else is pretty much pointless.

I can't really follow the logic of this. Why would living here and getting unemployment benefits boost your chances of finding a job? :confused: Because you think RAV would give you access to vacancies you would otherwise not have access to? Or because you're physically in the country? The former is not true and the latter has no relevance.

roegner 12.09.2017 10:39

Re: Unemployment benefits
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Samaire13 (Post 2845567)
I can't really follow the logic of this. Why would living here and getting unemployment benefits boost your chances of finding a job? :confused: Because you think RAV would give you access to vacancies you would otherwise not have access to? Or because you're physically in the country? The former is not true and the latter has no relevance.

Probably because RAV pays more than the other country´s unemployment service?

Samaire13 12.09.2017 11:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by roegner (Post 2845576)
Probably because RAV pays more than the other country´s unemployment service?

:D

I know. But I was hoping for a better argument than "money" :p :D

miniMia 12.09.2017 23:02

Re: Unemployment benefits
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by roegner (Post 2845576)
Probably because RAV pays more than the other country´s unemployment service?

It might be possible to extend this for another 3 months.

But you will get the same amount as you were getting in the previous country. You won't get more moving to Switzerland. You'll for sure spend more!

You are better off the other way: collecting Swiss unemployment in, say, Spain.

iam 27.05.2019 15:59

Re: Unemployment benefits
 
It's known that one is eligible to unemployment benefits, if one was employed 12 months in last 24 months.



I wonder how is one penalized (in the means of amount of employment benefits and/or it's duration) if he applies for RAV unemployment benefits, say 12 months after one became unemployed?

Jim2007 27.05.2019 17:29

Re: Unemployment benefits
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by iam (Post 3071593)
It's known that one is eligible to unemployment benefits, if one was employed 12 months in last 24 months.



I wonder how is one penalized (in the means of amount of employment benefits and/or it's duration) if he applies for RAV unemployment benefits, say 12 months after one became unemployed?

And we are off again.....

Stop asking people to help you break the law.

Medea Fleecestealer 27.05.2019 17:36

Re: Unemployment benefits
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by iam (Post 3071593)
It's known that one is eligible to unemployment benefits, if one was employed 12 months in last 24 months.



I wonder how is one penalized (in the means of amount of employment benefits and/or it's duration) if he applies for RAV unemployment benefits, say 12 months after one became unemployed?

You're penalised by not having anything to calculate it on since the figures are worked out on what you earned in the last 6 months. So unemployed for a year = earned nothing = no RAV payments.

st2lemans 27.05.2019 17:47

Re: Unemployment benefits
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Medea Fleecestealer (Post 3071641)
the figures are worked out on what you earned in the last 6 months.

Or 12 months, if it's to your advantage. ;)

Tom

blackbird 27.05.2019 17:51

Re: Unemployment benefits
 
Without the payments (unemployment insurance), how do you pay your bills (insurance, flat etc.) ?
For 12 months you will need at least around 24000-30000 sfr (depending on your rent), did you saved the amount ?
It could be a problem for your permit as well, because you have to be able to support yourself and not rely on other people.

Medea Fleecestealer 27.05.2019 18:39

Re: Unemployment benefits
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by st2lemans (Post 3071650)
Or 12 months, if it's to your advantage. ;)

Tom

Unemployed for a year = still no advantage. :p


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