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Specialists not needed in Zurich?

I am trying to land a job in Zurich. I am living in EU country and have plenty of relevant experience and yet each application gets autorejected even junior roles that don't even require experience. At the same time I am getting multiple offers in London and other top cities (thro headhunters) using the exact same resume and application files. Why is that? Is Zurich job market so competitive or they just prefer locals?
The fields I am in are actuarial/data science with strong background on stats and actuarial modeling (mostly coding).
I don't know local languages tho, but I am applying english offers that don't mention language requirement. Any tips?
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Old 16.08.2019, 17:20
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Re: Specialists not needed in Zurich?

You live in an EU country but do you have an EU passport?

A lot of companies here do not want to go through the procedure of hiring non EU when there are quite a lot of qualified EU and Swiss people they can easily hire.
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You live in an EU country but do you have an EU passport?

A lot of companies here do not want to go through the procedure of hiring non EU when there are quite a lot of qualified EU and Swiss people they can easily hire.
I do have everything needed. I am Polish citizen.
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...or they just prefer locals?
By law, Swiss employers must give preference to Swiss people and EU citizens and to those people who are already living here with a permit.

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I don't know local languages tho, but I am applying english offers that don't mention language requirement.
Any tips?
Yes.
  1. If you are EU, then definitely state that clearly right at the top of your application.
  2. If you are not EU, then become a specialist of an aspect of your field that is highly sought-after, so that it might be worth the effort for a company to prove that the could not find a Swiss citizen, an EU citizen or someone already living in Switzerland, who could fill their post.
  3. Network through all the contacts you have/had and could build.
  4. https://www.englishforum.ch/3081970-post10.html
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I don't know local languages tho, but I am applying english offers that don't mention language requirement. Any tips?
Learn the local languages.

In 33 years here, I've never worked in an English language environment.

Tom
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Old 16.08.2019, 17:40
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Re: Specialists not needed in Zurich?

In your other post you mention you have 2 years of experience. That's not necessarily "specialist" level. If you're getting job offers in London and elsewhere, do consider them instead of turning everything down for some golden goose you think is in Switzerland. More experience always looks good on your CV.
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Old 16.08.2019, 17:47
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Learn the local languages.

In 33 years here, I've never worked in an English language environment.

Tom
In half as long here, I've never worked in a German language environment (nor French, Italian or Romansch).
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Old 16.08.2019, 19:18
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In half as long here, I've never worked in a German language environment (nor French, Italian or Romansch).
Personally knowing the local lingo has definitely helpe on several occasions.

As for the OP I would recommend trying Cognizant. https://www.cognizant.com/en-ch/

They have several Poles working at the BIG banks.
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Re: Specialists not needed in Zurich?

Maybe you not so specialist as you think
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Re: Specialists not needed in Zurich?

Are you making sure to tailor your c.v. and application letter to the specific needs of the potential employer?

You are not alone in having some qualification, and still finding it hard to fine employment. You might find some tips in these threads along similar lines to your question.

https://www.englishforum.ch/employme...itzerland.html
https://www.englishforum.ch/employme...-find-job.html
https://www.englishforum.ch/employme...ut-no-job.html
https://www.englishforum.ch/employme...ot-enough.html
and also parts of this rather long (and not always friendly) thread:
https://www.englishforum.ch/daily-li...ase-pm-me.html

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I am trying to land a job in Zurich. I am living in EU country and have plenty of relevant experience and yet each application gets autorejected even junior roles that don't even require experience. At the same time I am getting multiple offers in London and other top cities (thro headhunters) using the exact same resume and application files. Why is that? Is Zurich job market so competitive or they just prefer locals?
The fields I am in are actuarial/data science with strong background on stats and actuarial modeling (mostly coding).
I don't know local languages tho, but I am applying english offers that don't mention language requirement. Any tips?
Yes but two years experience (according to one of your other posts) does not make you a specialist, it makes you an entry level candidate in the queue behind all the other entry level candidates with local language skills.

As for these other offers, have you actually got written offers with employment contracts attached or just comments from agencies, there is a very big difference.
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Yes but two years experience (according to one of your other posts) does not make you a specialist, it makes you an entry level candidate in the queue behind all the other entry level candidates with local language skills.

As for these other offers, have you actually got written offers with employment contracts attached or just comments from agencies, there is a very big difference.
In certain fields you can be specialist right after finishing university. Anyways that's the title I have in my current job.

As of your other question, I got written offers and some invitations to interviews. I prefer Zurich but if I will be unable to find jib there, I will go to London. It is just surprising its so much easier to get job in London for expact.
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Old 17.08.2019, 15:14
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As of your other question, I got written offers and some invitations to interviews. I prefer Zurich but if I will be unable to find jib there, I will go to London. It is just surprising its so much easier to get job in London for expact.
If that’s the case, I recommend you get your feet under the table well in advance of the end of October or Brexit might scupper your dreams...
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Old 17.08.2019, 18:10
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In certain fields you can be specialist right after finishing university.
Not here.

Tried it, but it took another couple of years in unrelated work before they accepted me as a specialist.

Fortunately the company thought that the 4 year wait was worth it.

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In certain fields you can be specialist right after finishing university. Anyways that's the title I have in my current job.
You obviously have a lot to learn.

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As of your other question, I got written offers and some invitations to interviews. I prefer Zurich but if I will be unable to find jib there, I will go to London. It is just surprising its so much easier to get job in London for expact.
The I’d suggest you move PDQ and get everything tied down ASAP.
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You obviously have a lot to learn.
This may be a question of language and terminology that might just be different between OP's country and Switzerland.

There are certain qualifications here, (for example a further certificate in knowledge about insurance, or about nursing, etc.), which are called "Expert". That's a formal title (and certificate to hang on the wall) which is awarded when one passes the "Expert" exams.

Here in Switzerland, people would not, however, call such a person a "Specialist".

Only after someone has worked for at least three or five or ten years in that field, applying that expert knowledge and increasing it through solid experience, would anyone begin to refer to them as a "Specialist".
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Re: Specialists not needed in Zurich?

2 years experience, no local language skills and somehow you're surprised it's easier to land a job elsewhere......
If you're not an experienced professional, it's easier to find jobs in countries that pay less.
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In your other post you mention you have 2 years of experience. That's not necessarily "specialist" level. If you're getting job offers in London and elsewhere, do consider them instead of turning everything down for some golden goose you think is in Switzerland. More experience always looks good on your CV.
"Specialist" in many industrial companies refers to the entry-/associate-level title. For example Supply Chain Specialist, Logistics Specialist, Data Specialist etc. Switzerland currently has over 1500 open entry-level positions with the keyword Specialist in LinkedIN. It doesn't necessarily mean having a lot of experience, but rather being below "Manager" level.
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Re: Specialists not needed in Zurich?

Hi Tsin,

Also, a Polish citizen here, went the same path in 2017:
- 1 year of software dev experience, mostly Java
- sent out over 80 applications
- got 5 interviews
- got 2 job offers

Today, I would mostly recommend persistence and just following the steps from this guide: https://swissdevjobs.ch/blog/how-to-...complete-guide

For data science careers you also might have a look here: https://www.datacareer.ch

From what I observed, there is some sort of bias agains non-Swiss residents. It seems like the companies are just lazy and reluctant to hire someone that doesn't live in Switzerland yet. However, once you are in (ANY work experience in Switzerland) more doors open.

Good luck!
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From what I observed, there is some sort of bias agains non-Swiss residents. It seems like the companies are just lazy and reluctant to hire someone that doesn't live in Switzerland yet.
Please see post #4.
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