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Brexit exit!

Hi there,

I have been madly in love with Switzerland for the past three years- the nature, the food, the near-zero crime rate and the people! (why the latter seems to shock most Swiss I will never know...

Having considered the looming car-crash Brexit, terrible weather, so-so food and a multitude of other factors, I have decided to give it a try and move Switzerland.

And that's where the big question lies: How likely am I to get a job?!

I'm a recruitment Consultant(360- so sales inc.) with what I thought was a decent amount of experience (3 years) and a degree. I'm a native English speaker but only started on my German and can speak one more (not so useful language) plus basics of two others.

I'm not in a position to be picky and will take anything but would love to stick to what i know best...

What do you guys think are my chances?

Thanks a lot!
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Better stop idealising the country before it bites you.
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Re: Brexit exit!

Two, very slim and non.
With Brexit the UK is no longer in the EU and the food chain in CH is locals, then EU, then cheap eastern European labour then non EU´s, but only if you have some stellar specialist skills that a CHian company is gagging for.
The lack of a local language is also going to be a barrier, I would say that the deck is stacked and not in your favor.
It´s not impossible, just very improbable.
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Old 20.08.2019, 17:53
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Hi there,

I have been madly in love with Switzerland for the past three years- the nature, the food, the near-zero crime rate and the people!
Are you sure you're not getting Switzerland mixed up with Swaziland or Sweden?
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Old 20.08.2019, 18:26
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Hi there,

I have been madly in love with Switzerland for the past three years- the nature, the food, the near-zero crime rate and the people! (why the latter seems to shock most Swiss I will never know...

Having considered the looming car-crash Brexit, terrible weather, so-so food and a multitude of other factors, I have decided to give it a try and move Switzerland.

And that's where the big question lies: How likely am I to get a job?!

I'm a recruitment Consultant(360- so sales inc.) with what I thought was a decent amount of experience (3 years) and a degree. I'm a native English speaker but only started on my German and can speak one more (not so useful language) plus basics of two others.

I'm not in a position to be picky and will take anything but would love to stick to what i know best...

What do you guys think are my chances?

Thanks a lot!
Recruiters are going to need the local language so what do you think? Why hire you when they can take their pick from EU nationals who do speak German fluently?

You may also hit the following problem. Assuming the UK exits as planned at the end of October, you most likely won't have a permit by that point unless you're very lucky. EU nationals can be in Switzerland for up to 3 months as tourists so don't get a permit straightaway. That currently applies to you, but from 1st November you'd be a non-EU national and come under the non-EU hiring criteria.

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...zulassung.html

That makes it much harder for any employer to hire you. You wouldn't be able to stay here without a permit to look for work and wouldn't qualify for the job seeker L that EU nationals can apply for after their 1st 3 months here.

Basically you've probably left it too late so honestly stay where you are.
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Re: Brexit exit!

I love these kind of posts......."Help, the UK is leaving the EU and it's going to be the end of the world.....so I want to move to a country that is not in the EU and doing just fine......"
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Re: Brexit exit!

Give these guys a shot.

I have worked a freelancer a few times for them and found them quite professional. Some of the founders are Brits.

They're in downtown Zurich.
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Re: Brexit exit!

I think your best chance is to find suitable work in the UK in a big firm with offices also in Switzerland. And then request a transfer to CH. Try companies like Eurostaff etc
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With Brexit the UK is no longer in the EU and the food chain in CH is locals, then EU, then cheap eastern European labour then non EU´s, but only if you have some stellar specialist skills that a CHian company is gagging for.
As of now that's not true.

The bulletin issued when the the agreement was signed earlier this year explicitly states that, in the case of a no-deal Brexit, Brits will be granted facilitated access until December 2020. With no-deal there will be no checks of professioinal qualifications, no prioritisation of locals, and no need to demonstrate national economic beneficiality of granting the requested permit. Salary and job conditions will still be checked. Swissinfo spoke of "bevorzugte Zulassung", priviledged access.

This appears to be part of the agreement itself, which would mean that the facilitated access is definitive. I can't find the agreement though. The federal government published their intended regulation for the implementation of the agreement one week ago, which also suggests to grant facilitated access in case of a no-deal Brexit.
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Give these guys a shot.

I have worked a freelancer a few times for them and found them quite professional. Some of the founders are Brits.

They're in downtown Zurich.
He can try the other agencies as well (Nicoll Curtin, Experis etc.) Most of their clients are not german-speaking, so there can be chance wuthout German as well.
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Re: Brexit exit!

OP, Urs Max's post 9, above, which does indeed seem like good news (for the next while), may render my ideas irrelevant, but since the bring another way of considering the move, here goes.

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I think it can be done as long all of these apply to you: you're young and single, and can cope with a little risk, are disciplined, are willing to live on a lower income for a phase, and can view the move to Switzerland as an adventure. If that's you, you might consider moving here right away before Brexit, using some of the following suggestions.

To look for work, activate connections in all the clubs, in Switzerland, of any language you now speak.

Come over for a week or two or a few consecutive weekends and do the leg-work. Walk, walk, walk through the big cities and find yourself every and any job, which - on foot and starting immediately - will more likely be a bunch of part-time jobs, as a waiter, barman/woman, shop assistant, cleaner, construction-worker, a furniture removal person, or a refuse collecter. These tend to be low-paid and hard work, which is why people quit quickly, and then a you might see a sign in the window, and anyway you can ask every bar and restaurant owner, and the staff of small shops and businesses, when you are here. Such jobs take perseverence to find.

As a still-EU citizen, you'll then get a permit automatically.

For accommodation (and possible for temporary work, too) sign up with couchsurfing and make a good profile, so that you can start out at low cost. Couchsurfing is free, but if you're going to stay more than a few days, it's fair to contribute to the household and rent, of course. Have a look at www.wgzimmer.ch for flat-shares. Especially, when searching, use the word "befristet", meaning "of limited duration".

Keep all your expenses as low as possible. Cook at home. Use a bicycle and public transport. Buy only second-hand goods. Be frugal.

Depending on which city you settle in, learn German, French or Italian as appropriate. Do not imagine that you will "Pass Go and Collect 200" and find a way into a job in your current field without very good mastery of the local Swiss language. At your place(s) of work, with your neighbours and in shops, and when making new friends, ask people to speak the local language to you, not English or any other you already master. Practice, practice, practice.

Winter will soon be upon us, and you might find seasonal work which peaks, then, in the resorts.

By Spring you should be reasonably fluent. I think this'll be possible for you, specifically, since you already speak several languages, so that makes learning another easier. Once you can speak the local language well, try to find a better job, such as at a hotel reception, on a farm (season starts in Spring, through to harvest time) a shop, a petrol-station or maybe even in an office.

Overall, if you can afford to have less spending-power than you probably do now (as you now work in your field of expertise) for, say, two years, during which your focus is on ensuring that your command of the local language becomes really solid, then I think you have a chance of making the transition.

It would have to involve your living frugally and probably not managing to save anything, while you embrace the beauty of Switzerland and the adventure of it all. It will also most likely involve, along the way, your completing some other qualification, in your field or in an adjacent area, in Switzerland, before you'll be able to step up to a job which pays reasonably well.
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He can try the other agencies as well (Nicoll Curtin, Experis etc.) Most of their clients are not german-speaking, so there can be chance wuthout German as well.
Be honest, what use is a non German/French/Italian speaker in recruitment when the choice is massive ?
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If he arrives in the next few weeks, the blackberry crop is quite good and OP will not want for sustenance.

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OP, Urs Max's post 9, above, which does indeed seem like good news (for the next while), may render my ideas irrelevant, but since the bring another way of considering the move, here goes.



I think it can be done as long all of these apply to you: you're young and single, and can cope with a little risk, are disciplined, are willing to live on a lower income for a phase, and can view the move to Switzerland as an adventure. If that's you, you might consider moving here right away before Brexit, using some of the following suggestions.

To look for work, activate connections in all the clubs, in Switzerland, of any language you now speak.

Come over for a week or two or a few consecutive weekends and do the leg-work. Walk, walk, walk through the big cities and find yourself every and any job, which - on foot and starting immediately - will more likely be a bunch of part-time jobs, as a waiter, barman/woman, shop assistant, cleaner, construction-worker, a furniture removal person, or a refuse collecter. These tend to be low-paid and hard work, which is why people quit quickly, and then a you might see a sign in the window, and anyway you can ask every bar and restaurant owner, and the staff of small shops and businesses, when you are here. Such jobs take perseverence to find.

As a still-EU citizen, you'll then get a permit automatically.

For accommodation (and possible for temporary work, too) sign up with couchsurfing and make a good profile, so that you can start out at low cost. Couchsurfing is free, but if you're going to stay more than a few days, it's fair to contribute to the household and rent, of course. Have a look at www.wgzimmer.ch for flat-shares. Especially, when searching, use the word "befristet", meaning "of limited duration".

Keep all your expenses as low as possible. Cook at home. Use a bicycle and public transport. Buy only second-hand goods. Be frugal.

Depending on which city you settle in, learn German, French or Italian as appropriate. Do not imagine that you will "Pass Go and Collect 200" and find a way into a job in your current field without very good mastery of the local Swiss language. At your place(s) of work, with your neighbours and in shops, and when making new friends, ask people to speak the local language to you, not English or any other you already master. Practice, practice, practice.

Winter will soon be upon us, and you might find seasonal work which peaks, then, in the resorts.

By Spring you should be reasonably fluent. I think this'll be possible for you, specifically, since you already speak several languages, so that makes learning another easier. Once you can speak the local language well, try to find a better job, such as at a hotel reception, on a farm (season starts in Spring, through to harvest time) a shop, a petrol-station or maybe even in an office.

Overall, if you can afford to have less spending-power than you probably do now (as you now work in your field of expertise) for, say, two years, during which your focus is on ensuring that your command of the local language becomes really solid, then I think you have a chance of making the transition.

It would have to involve your living frugally and probably not managing to save anything, while you embrace the beauty of Switzerland and the adventure of it all. It will also most likely involve, along the way, your completing some other qualification, in your field or in an adjacent area, in Switzerland, before you'll be able to step up to a job which pays reasonably well.
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Be honest, what use is a non German/French/Italian speaker in recruitment when the choice is massive ?
FWIW, I freelanced here between '92 and '07 and *many* of the agents I dealt with here were native English speakers with poor or little knowledge of one of the Swiss national languages.

Maybe it has something to do with the fact that most IT business is conducted in English.

The Financial IT company that I am currently employed by has it's founding HQ in Germany and a string of subsidiaries in Europe, Asia and in the US.

The official language for all internal documentation is English. It's like that for many multi-national companies in CH, especially in the main cities.
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Re: Brexit exit!

Well now come on guys.

A) So far there has been zero consequences on British citizens wanting to move to or stay in Switzerland, so it's very well possible. It's also not like Switzerland will eject every British citizen and at the same time immediately put every application on the "non-EU" pile starting tomorrow.

B) Yes, local languages are important, but not for every job. Plenty of people in this country that don't speak the language.

C) "Recruitment" is a broad field and can range from specialized external or freelance consulting to broad in-house recruitment. Depending on the exact job, speaking German may or may not be required and it's simply not true that every recruiting job requires knowledge of German. In the company I work (MNC), I don't think I've EVER encountered a recruiter that speaks German. At best a few words, but certainly nowhere near fluent.

The crux beyond that is though that a lot of recruitment is not done in-house and often not in Switzerland at all, but offshored wherever. That's particularly true for MNCs. So keeping that in mind, if a position is still in-house, chances are it won't be at an MNC that would readily accept people that don't speak the language as it'll automatically be a job that is more local.

Also, while great to see that there's people who don't make it a hobby to bitch about Switzerland, it's of course not all roses and unicorns here either. So be conscious of that and look at what it is from a realistic and holistic viewpoint.
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Why would you want to recruit a HR type of person in high wage Switzerland who doesn't need to speak the lcoal languages as he recruits all English speakers wehen you could easily employ the HR person in a low wage economy such as UK ?
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