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Re: Are salaries for untrained people really that high?

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i just felt like they seem very high even compared to the cost of living




it wouln't be nice if you can find a source that says you can't survive on 5500chf a month, i don't know what you guys think about this but this just cant be true
You can definitely survive (not only survive, rather live and enjoy life too) on that salary if you are single. But be careful that you need a certificate/training for most if not all jobs here, whether you think you can do that job or not. Of course, there are always exceptions, it could be easier if you know someone who can help you find a job.
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Wow. Just wow. And not a good wow just FYI. I could list dozens of job that most certainly not "almost anyone can do", but they're probably all beneath you.





Thank you.


Beyond that, the reason EVERYONE earns a decent wage here (and one that goes beyond living wage in most cases here) is precisely because they're all educated.

But I'm sure the US-type (and many countries') situation is better. Untrained or unskilled workers having to work three jobs to even make ends meet, or everyone having to go through a "degree" from a local "university" that is of questionable quality and certainly nowhere near academic yet still costs a crapload, and then get a similar job that a commercial apprenticeship would here, however unfortunately that jobs pays just about minimum wage, with which they have to pay off student loans. Yes. Sign me up for that.
weird behavior of you to go off the system in my country when you don't even know where im from
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Old 10.09.2019, 15:28
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weird behavior of you to go off the system in my country when you don't even know where im from
Well, if you don't bother to inform us we'll just have to presume.

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Well, if you don't bother to inform us we'll just have to presume.

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meh, i did tell him i was from the EU, where most members have to different degrees a welfare states where things like education is prioritized.
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Re: Are salaries for untrained people really that high?

so again weird for him to let his anger out on the american system
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1. i was asking if the salaries were really that high, if the poverty line is 2300 a month, im pretty sure you can live with 5500chf before anything, someone just said that was impossible.

2. Even in well off countries working as mailman requires no education other than the mandory 9-10 years of general education that most countries have.
Mailmen don't earn 5500/month.

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Re: Are salaries for untrained people really that high?

.. you state you live in Zug.. I went for a coffee there once and felt like a destitute..

FFS what are you on about? You are paying rent oder?
Then you are f*ing rich
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Mailmen don't earn 5500/month.

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how much would you reckon they earn then?
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.. you state you live in Zug.. I went for a coffee there once and felt like a destitute..

FFS what are you on about? You are paying rent oder?
Then you are f*ing rich
i don't live in zug nor in switzerland but its one of the cities i have in mind


how much did you pay for your coffee?
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Re: Are salaries for untrained people really that high?

Mailmen or women are usually working 60-80% so they don't get 5500 per month. If they worked 100% then they would for sure,
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how much did you pay for your coffee?
CHF 1.80

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how much would you reckon they earn then?
2500-3500

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CHF 1.80

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i asked starmir
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Re: Are salaries for untrained people really that high?

unskilled jobs would be more like selling people stuff at a clothes shop without an EFZ, or working without an EFZ at an ultradiscount kurdish barbershop, or working as a cleaning lady.

First difficulty: you have to find those jobs (e.g. the barbershop will bring in people they know to work it), there is competition for them (many wives of asylees who can barely speak the language work as cleaning ladies and it's not their main source of income), and they might only be 50% or have irregular hours, with traveling and waste of time not accounted for. Or seasonal romanian workers on mountain locations or farms.

You can get to 3000 CHF/month full time, after all is said and done it's enough to live, but you're living the lifestyle of a student. Pic-nicking at the bar with your own alcohol, no car, limited traveling, WG or single room in the periphery.
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unskilled jobs would be more like selling people stuff at a clothes shop without an EFZ, or working without an EFZ at an ultradiscount kurdish barbershop, or working as a cleaning lady.

First difficulty: you have to find those jobs (e.g. the barbershop will bring in people they know to work it), there is competition for them (many wives of asylees who can barely speak the language work as cleaning ladies and it's not their main source of income), and they might only be 50% or have irregular hours, with traveling and waste of time not accounted for. Or seasonal romanian workers on mountain locations or farms.

You can get to 3000 CHF/month full time, after all is said and done it's enough to live, but you're living the lifestyle of a student. Pic-nicking at the bar with your own alcohol, no car, limited traveling, WG or single room in the periphery.
It is not only the Kurdish barber and the asylum seekers' wives....
Most cleaning ladies I know of are Portuguese, and so are the construction workers everywhere I look (plus Italian...many Italians, you can hear them) and they do bring each other btw. At the farm nearby the seasonal workers are Polish and Hungarian. Those who handle the garbage in my area of ex-Yugoslav origins. There is a huge competition, indeed.

Now, if the OP is from an EU state member, it is easier to find a seasonal job without having a lot of hardships with the visas/permits. A more permanent, low skilled job is harder to come across, surely.

OP, why the Post? The Post is conducting their affairs like a normal, huge corporation always willing to cut costs, reduce staff etc. They have training programmes and will favour the youth coming from this system. Forget about it.
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Nivlem, are you worried that you do not have the credentials to find a job here?

As many have said, untrained is not necessarily unskilled.

If so, what are your skills, what experience do you have? Perhaps we could suggest possible paths to pursue.
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Nivlem, are you worried that you do not have the credentials to find a job here?

As many have said, untrained is not necessarily unskilled.

If so, what are your skills, what experience do you have? Perhaps we could suggest possible paths to pursue.
no i'm currently undergoing education so i just looked at salaries in switzerland and noticed the 66k for a postal worker, i have already decided on a career path
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