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Old 19.09.2019, 09:06
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RAV initiative 3-6 months "internship"-can it be turned down?

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a friend of mine is without a job after being sacked for 3 months now. he did not get many interviews but does push hard. RAV is generally happy. after he had another consultation with his agent he got told that they want to put him in a new program, initiative. his CV gets pooled and send out to companies that seem to look for workers. it's yet not clear if they need one permanently or hire just for a period like Adecco or similar temporary job agencies. and dump you after 3 or 6 months. I read that it is meant for 50 plus people and for them it makes perfectly sense to get some "schnupperwochen". but he is 38 and has a professional career... i don't see the value at this early stage of his unemployment phase?

he also really does not like it as its a) early in the process and b) he sees it as an apprentice job with not much ground for negotiation about salary and such.

unclear is if he can turn that down? because the RAV dude told him he should think about it and let him know. but I have the feeling that is an offer he in fact can't refuse and he will face a pay cut if he says no.

can anyone shed some light on this? thank you!
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Old 19.09.2019, 09:17
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Re: RAV initiative 3-6 months "internship"-can it be turned down?

General rule of thumb is that he cannot turn down any job / help that RAV offer without a strong reason (i.e. You friend was offered a job at McDonalds but he was an Engineer with a Masters degree and his last job position was a project manager for ALSTOM).

On the other hand it is beneficial for him o take up a suitable job RAV offers as it will increase his RAV allocated pay timeline and increase his monthly pay as RAV tops off upto the last salary he had while employed. ++ more experience for his CV
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On the other hand it is beneficial for him o take up a suitable job RAV offers as it will increase his RAV allocated pay timeline and increase his monthly pay as RAV tops off upto the last salary he had while employed. ++ more experience for his CV
Pay is only topped up if the salary is below the insurance pay out. An hour of overtime can reduce RAV payout by 3000 or more depending on salary.
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but he is 38 and has a professional career... i don't see the value at this early stage of his unemployment phase?
It depends a lot on if the person is actually professional qualified and if the profession is in high demand. At 38 without professional qualifications or in a dying profession would make it difficult to turn down as it suggests your limiting your opportunity to find something new.
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Old 19.09.2019, 15:05
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Re: RAV initiative 3-6 months "internship"-can it be turned down?

this initiative is new, it is not "zwischenverdienst". it is that he works for free for said company, RAV compensates, the company pays zero. it is an initiative that the company can test the employee. its core idea is to prove that 50+ people are worth employing and by checking one candidate to get the proof.
I have the same feeling that it can't be turned down. the problem he sees is that you are not in the same position, strategically, when you want to negotiate. they know you are unemployed, you are under pressure and you will swallow that pill of a lower offer that you won't get when you apply for a vacancy out of a stronger position. but thx for your replies!
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Re: RAV initiative 3-6 months "internship"-can it be turned down?

But it maybe best to do this, prove your worth to the company and get back in full time employment, even if it is at a lower salary.


Quite often later on in life you take a salary cut, salary rises are not linear (upwards) all the time.


Just think, if he refuses this and his RAV gets cut, can he afford this ?


What happens in 2 years time when he has no RAV left......


Bird in the hand is worth two in the bush .....and you can always negotiate for more once you've proved beyond any shadow of doubt your total irreplacibility to the company........or go down the cemetery
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Re: RAV initiative 3-6 months "internship"-can it be turned down?

Without knowing what job he had and what job(s) he will work in, nobody can say if it's really that bad of an idea.


Usually, there's some way to spin it this way or that way on the CV, if you really want or need to put it in the CV later.
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What happens in 2 years time when he has no RAV left......
400 days (approx. 18 months)
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Re: RAV initiative 3-6 months "internship"-can it be turned down?

Perhaps a counter-suggestion with a plan b, such as further education, language or something else he can convince the RAV he needs to be able to get a next job?

In my experience, RAV usually rewards people with determination and self-motivation.

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Re: RAV initiative 3-6 months "internship"-can it be turned down?

You dont need to accept if the new job is not in your area of profession... i would play this card.

If this doesnt work, just say yes and see where you (yeah right, 'a friend') end up. It might be something fun like truck driving or chocolate taster or something like that. My behavior at this temp job would be, well, french. No initiative, going home on time when the hour strikes, things like that. I mean, the company is not paying anything...

And finally, you can just choose to take the hit and say no. I would do this if the temp job is totally unsuitable or unpleasant. Its nice to have f#ck you money...

I was lucky with my rav advisor, he told he would not make me do things i dont like. And this turned out to be correct.
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Old 19.09.2019, 19:16
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You dont need to accept if the new job is not in your area of profession... i would play this card.
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Legally you have to take any job offered, so that card won't work.
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Legally you have to take any job offered, so that card won't work.
Is it not 'any suitable job' ? And out of your field makes it not a suitable job ?
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Is it not 'any suitable job' ? And out of your field makes it not a suitable job ?
After a few months of unemployment you can be less choosy. It's an insurance & they want to pay out the minimum. Over 4 hours daily travel is a reason to say no.

I reversed the argument for my RAV job search & applied for plenty of positions for which I was not qualified however they would pay a suitable salary. The companies knew the drill & replied with a very nice letter to show to the RAV.
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