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What are my chances of finding a job in Switzerland?

I've come to realize that there is a brevet or training of any sort for most jobs here in Switzerland. The mentality here seems to be that you have to train for the specific job to even get an entry-level position.

I have a teaching background and I'm here with my husband.
I have a bachelor's degree in humanities and I've worked mainly with languages. I'm also in my late 20's and I'm really anxious as it seems I'm blocked career-wise here in Switzerland.

I'm trying to look into different jobs including such as HR but what I see is that everything requires a brevet or certification.

I'm seriously considering just going back to where I was living before and pick up my career as a teacher that I left 2 years ago (which would mean a divorce).

Before you ask, I can't continue my career as a teacher here in CH as there are no full-time jobs in a real professional context here in CH. Meanwhile, it's a very popular language everywhere else (SPANISH!!?).

Can someone shed some light as to what are the real opportunities I have in CH without the 100 qualifications and exams everyone seems to have?

I speak French, English, and Spanish if that matters.

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Re: What are my chances of finding a job in Switzerland?

You have a degree in humanities, a teaching qualification and teaching experience and you speak French plus two other languages. You're probably not in the worst position to job search, to be fair.

Why not spend the time doing extra certification in, for example, HR? Find the relevant courses (ask at local schools or colleges) and look for jobs on the side.

People manage to find jobs here with a smattering of the local language and half the qualifications you have.

Have you tried applying to international schools?
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Re: What are my chances of finding a job in Switzerland?

Hello,

I hope that everything will go fine. First, have you applied for positions (even with the qualifications you have now)?
Maybe some people are willing to train you inside the company or position.

Second, have looked if there is some school, institute that you could get some of the certification you need or want? Possibly you could start some lessons.

Third, have you asked at RAV or researched about it? I am not sure, but possibly you could register there to help you with unemployment as you were previously employed.
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You have a degree in humanities, a teaching qualification and teaching experience and you speak French plus two other languages. You're probably not in the worst position to job search, to be fair.

Why not spend the time doing extra certification in, for example, HR? Find the relevant courses (ask at local schools or colleges) and look for jobs on the side.

People manage to find jobs here with a smattering of the local language and half the qualifications you have.

Have you tried applying to international schools?

Hi!

Thank you for your response.

The point is that I've already spent so much money in the last two years living in Switzerland without a job that my savings are starting to suffer.

I'm looking into HR certifications and I'm looking at over 4,000 CHF in fees for a course + exam just to get a brevet as an HR assistant. On top of that, of course I have to pass the exam and if I don't I will lose that money.

That's why I would prefer to get an entry-level position without having to invest in such an expensive preparation course and moreover, being able to start working ASAP.

I understand that that's how the Swiss system works but it's just frustrating to realize you are blocked unless you pay a lot for a certificate.

Is that the same in international companies?

I used to live in Hong Kong where literally the sky was the limit so the situation is a bit frustrating.
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Hello,

I hope that everything will go fine. First, have you applied for positions (even with the qualifications you have now)?
Maybe some people are willing to train you inside the company or position.

Second, have looked if there is some school, institute that you could get some of the certification you need or want? Possibly you could start some lessons.

Third, have you asked at RAV or researched about it? I am not sure, but possibly you could register there to help you with unemployment as you were previously employed.

Thank you for your reply

I have applied for some positions already including internships and I didn't even get a response.

I suspect that the only choice would be finding a job through foreign friends because I'm not too hopeful of the Swiss ones.
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I'm looking into HR certifications and I'm looking at over 4,000 CHF in fees for a course + exam just to get a brevet as an HR assistant. On top of that, of course I have to pass the exam and if I don't I will lose that money.
It's a case of having to speculate to accumulate. The job you would get would potentially pay, say CHF 6000 per month so the CHF 4000 would be worth it as an initial outlay of less than a month's salary.

It's true that many places stipulate that you are qualified for even an entry level position here, but then again, the country seems to run well on that basis.

Also, a lot of places will pay for subsequent training and certification so once you're in you can start climbing the ladder at the company's expense.
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Re: What are my chances of finding a job in Switzerland?

Have you thought about working in one of the language schools? Teaching English, Spanish and French to adults? Or setting up as a private language tutor? There are lots of international companies and agencies in Geneva who might want language tutors for their international staff.

Or as you are in Geneva, how about schools over the border in France? You speak French, you could maybe teach English in a French school?
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Thank you for your reply

I have applied for some positions already including internships and I didn't even get a response.

I suspect that the only choice would be finding a job through foreign friends because I'm not too hopeful of the Swiss ones.

Ask any friends you have. Swiss or foreign. Also keep applying and don't be disappointed if they don't answer in your applications. Have looked for jobs in language teaching schools? Even temporary to have some money and feel more productive? (also possible acquire some references)

You definetely have qualifications, you just need an entry in the market.
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Re: What are my chances of finding a job in Switzerland?

Being a married female in your late 20's scares off employers who are afraid of hiring someone who will then become pregnant, take the 14 weeks paid maternity leave, then either quit or want to come back part-time. Sorry, but that's the facts here in good old Switzerland. As an over-50 male, I face similar discrimination and thank my good fate every day that I still have a job. Losing one now would be financially catastrophic.
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Re: What are my chances of finding a job in Switzerland?

OP - you quit your country to join your husband here and you are living off your savings? Is he local and is he helping you integrate, learn the local language and rebuild your career? Is his family helpful and accepting? If not, you might have a bigger problem than not finding a job here. Going back for a little bit might help you gain a perspective, becoming independent here on your own too. Good luck either way, the certif will be necessarry. X
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Re: What are my chances of finding a job in Switzerland?

Uni fees here are pretty (very) low, have you thought about doing the Swiss post grad teaching qualification, then you could teach English in a Swiss state school.

Going away from teaching, if you speak English and French, how about customer service agent jobs at Geneva airport? With ski season about to start they are probably looking for more staff. Contact the ground handling agents and airlines such as Easyjet.
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Uni fees here are pretty (very) low, have you thought about doing the Swiss post grad teaching qualification, then you could teach English in a Swiss state school.

Going away from teaching, if you speak English and French, how about customer service agent jobs at Geneva airport? With ski season about to start they are probably looking for more staff. Contact the ground handling agents and airlines such as Easyjet.

Thanks for your advice.

I will look into the customer service jobs.

I will look into the Swiss teaching qualification program but I never thought of that option as I'm not a native English speaker but if there's a possibility, I will explore that option Thanks

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OP - you quit your country to join your husband here and you are living off your savings? Is he local and is he helping you integrate, learn the local language and rebuild your career? Is his family helpful and accepting? If not, you might have a bigger problem than not finding a job here. Going back for a little bit might help you gain a perspective, becoming independent here on your own too. Good luck either way, the certif will be necessarry. X
He's helped me a lot but I have always been an independent woman so I refuse to let him pay for everything. Of course, he pays rent and part of my insurance but I pay for food, restaurants, extra medical expenses, trips, etc.
His family doesn't live here but they are really nice to me.

Thanks for the reality check regarding the certificate haha.

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Being a married female in your late 20's scares off employers who are afraid of hiring someone who will then become pregnant, take the 14 weeks paid maternity leave, then either quit or want to come back part-time. Sorry, but that's the facts here in good old Switzerland. As an over-50 male, I face similar discrimination and thank my good fate every day that I still have a job. Losing one now would be financially catastrophic.


Hi!

Thanks for your reply. Yeah, surprisingly, the Swiss tend to be a bit chauvinistic and old fashion when it comes to women.

That's so fricking annoying!!! I don't even want kids so it's sad people assume what you want in life.

Age discrimination is terrible and so stupid when they can take advantage of all the experience older people have.

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Hi!

Thanks for your reply. Yeah, surprisingly, the Swiss tend to be a bit chauvinistic and old fashion when it comes to women.

That's so fricking annoying!!! I don't even want kids so it's sad people assume what you want in life.

Age discrimination is terrible and so stupid when they can take advantage of all the experience older people have.
I agree with you but what's more pressing might be local grads who don't get to start on the pension schemes because they don't get hired. I wish the mindset towards hiring expensive experience changed, it is a good investment longterm.
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Re: What are my chances of finding a job in Switzerland?

As I posted in another thread, I just found my next job (or rather the job found me) via Linkedin. Employers are inundated with applications, and in my case seemed to take the reverse approach.. scanning for suitable applicants on Linkedin. Pimp you Linkedin profile.. get people to recommend you, then change your status to "Actively looking". I just landed a great job this way! They found me!
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Re: What are my chances of finding a job in Switzerland?

Here's a link to OP's other thread, for reference:
https://www.englishforum.ch/employme...r-options.html

One of the hardest parts of adapting as a trailing spouse is realizing that here is not the same as there - be it back "home" or in the last place you were. In this case, it sounds like you had a great, fulfilling career in Asia and now that you're here you don't see something similar on the horizon. That's frustrating. I've been there. Many of our members have been there.

How many jobs have you applied for in the last 6 months and how many interviews have you had? I'd say with your language skills and experience it should not be overly hard to find a job here. Whether or not it's comparable to what you had before is hard to say.

I certainly think you could start teaching part-time at any number of language schools. That would at least give you some income and get you out of the house. You'd meet new people, some of whom might have connections to another job. Speaking of connections, ask your friends and neighbors to keep their eyes and ears open too.

In terms of Swiss teaching qualifications, I don't think you need to be a native English speaker. What's more important is that you speak the local language fluently.

Send out load of applications to whatever positions catch your interest. Don't let job ads discourage you from even applying if you think the job might be a good fit.
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Ask any friends you have. Swiss or foreign. Also keep applying and don't be disappointed if they don't answer in your applications. Have looked for jobs in language teaching schools? Even temporary to have some money and feel more productive? (also possible acquire some references)

You definetely have qualifications, you just need an entry in the market.

Yeah, I had someone tell me that the most difficult part is getting the first job so that Swiss employers would trust you.

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Re: What are my chances of finding a job in Switzerland?

My wife moved here from Scotland after we got married. Although her degree was recognized here, without (Swiss) German, she had no chance of landing one. First year was spent learning German. Second year was a series of attempts to find jobs, with limited success. She was fired from her first part-time job because of lack of dialect (and other dubious reasons which I won't go into). We almost gave up. After two really bad part-time jobs working for Swiss tyrants, she interviewed at a place in Aargau. She has now worked there for the past 24 years, and has started a side business on her own in the same field. Nothing worth having is easy to get.
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Do an apprenticeship, then they pay you to study!

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An adult will have different needs in terms of salary.

OP - it's nice you want to foot your own bills but think about your retirement, your current independence here and now might be your complete dependency later. I have seen this so many times. If job isn't happening and your savings are gone, time to re-evaluate. Teaching, btw, is more than saturated here, service sector might be better for you. X
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