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Something to share: my company style

I will be working in a chemical company in Basel and I just arrived at Basel, today.

Today, when my flight descended at Basel airport (6 pm already), I immediately checked my email update using iPhone then ..... I found my future boss sent me an email asking if my allocation was alright (this is not something special indeed), but asked if I would be able to have a lunch or dinner with him!

I have done some research about the Swiss work culture and I can tell this is definitely not the Swiss thing..... Probably, my company is a US company and this is why. (But my boss has spent 10-20 years working in Basel)

I am really considering not to take my company/colleagues as Swiss but something like US or North America style.
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Re: Something to share: my company style

Even Swiss people eat. Seriously, though, the conversation at the lunch or dinner can be very different depending on the cultures and personalities.

For some, such a lunch or dinner is a purely business meeting, and the only available slot the manager could find to sit down with the new employee and go over the duties and responsibilities, and get the paperwork signed. In a closer discussion, during that brief hour two people may get to know something about each other's professionaly backgrounds, commonalities or differences. At the far end of the scale, they will also learn all about each other's private lives and families, too. This last postion is not typical for Swiss people, in a first meeting.

In general, Swiss people, and those who have lived here for many years and who have in the course of that time become at least partially Swissified, will tend to talk less about their private lives and personal feelings, and more about their duties at work. If they mention things about their personal lives, it may be what kinds of sports they do, or if they have a particular hobby, or whether they have children. Beyond that, they tend to open up slowly, over years.

Therefore, take your lead from your manager. Do not assume that an invitation to dinner means the beginning of a friendship. It is a nice gesture, yes, and welcoming, yet still professional. Do not volunteer more about your personal life and your feelings than your manager does about his/hers. It is better to be a bit reserved at the start, as that leaves room for building the relationship once each side has shown themselves to be reliable at work.

Welcome, and I hope you have a really good journey in Switzerland.
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I will be working in a chemical company in Basel and I just arrived at Basel, today.

Today, when my flight descended at Basel airport (6 pm already), I immediately checked my email update using iPhone then ..... I found my future boss sent me an email asking if my allocation was alright (this is not something special indeed), but asked if I would be able to have a lunch or dinner with him!

I have done some research about the Swiss work culture and I can tell this is definitely not the Swiss thing..... Probably, my company is a US company and this is why. (But my boss has spent 10-20 years working in Basel)

I am really considering not to take my company/colleagues as Swiss but something like US or North America style.
You might want to do a lot more research then... and definitely do not treat Swiss people as North Americans! It is very normal to receive dinner/lunch invitations when you are starting of in a Swiss company but the intention is to get to know a colleague and make them feel welcome in the company, nothing more.
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You might want to do a lot more research then... and definitely do not treat Swiss people as North Americans! It is very normal to receive dinner/lunch invitations when you are starting of in a Swiss company but the intention is to get to know a colleague and make them feel welcome in the company, nothing more.
AFAIK it's very common to be taken to lunch with your team on your first workday.

However, the way I read it this is supposed to happen before the contract has started (OP probably starts work Nov 1, or later). So it's probably not just a welcome gesture but also an offer to provide basic tips (OP's Chinese), perhaps some help to get settled in (to the extent the company can), how things work and where to buy stuff, etc.
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AFAIK it's very common to be taken to lunch with your team on your first workday.

However, the way I read it this is supposed to happen before the contract has started (OP probably starts work Nov 1, or later). So it's probably not just a welcome gesture but also an offer to provide basic tips (OP's Chinese), perhaps some help to get settled in (to the extent the company can), how things work and where to buy stuff, etc.
Yeah, you are right that my official start date is 1st Nov. The dinner is confirmed for this Friday evening, only myself and my future boss. In the email, he asked if I needed any help on the relocation thing. (I am from Hong Kong but spent many years in Scotland and Canada).

Another colleague also asked if I needed any help on the relocation. He is Australian and mentioned in the email relocation to Switzerland can be challenging. I guess they are concerned about if my relocation is smooth enough.

Real questions here, about the dinner:

1. What to expect?
2. In this case, does my boss pay for the dinner? or AA?
3. What should I do/How I should behave in general?
4. What must not be done?

Sorry for these questions. My background is that this is my first industry chemist job (The company is US one, pretty big). I have been working for like 6 years in university labs. Therefore, I do not want to screw it up. And I have been doing a lot of preparation during this "vacation" October.....
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Yeah, you are right that my official start date is 1st Nov. The dinner is confirmed for this Friday evening, only myself and my future boss. In the email, he asked if I needed any help on the relocation thing. (I am from Hong Kong but spent many years in Scotland and Canada).

Another colleague also asked if I needed any help on the relocation. He is Australian and mentioned in the email relocation to Switzerland can be challenging. I guess they are concerned about if my relocation is smooth enough.

Real questions here, about the dinner:

1. What to expect?
2. In this case, does my boss pay for the dinner? or AA?
3. What should I do/How I should behave in general?
4. What must not be done?

Sorry for these questions. My background is that this is my first industry chemist job (The company is US one, pretty big). I have been working for like 6 years in university labs. Therefore, I do not want to screw it up. And I have been doing a lot of preparation during this "vacation" October.....
Be clean, well-groomed, including hair, teeth and fingernails. Wear modest clothing, clean formal leather shoes (no sneakers), nothing flashy, also no flashy jewellery or big watch, and no intense perfume. If you wear glasses, make sure they are clean.

If you have any special dietary requirements, check in advance to see whether the restaurant your boss has proposed does actually serve something that you can eat. If not, have a look for an alternative nearby, in the same price-range, and ask your boss - before the evening - if it would be alright to change venue, because you cannot eat x or y. If the invitation is to your boss's home (which is not particularly usual, to start with, but might happen) and you have dietary needs, then inform your boss of those a few days in advance, to that you do not embarass him by not being able to eat what he has prepared.

Drink very little alcohol. One drink, maximum, and only if your boss is also having a drink, and only if you know for sure that alcohol doesn't make you silly/aggressive/sleepy/too talkative/boring.

Make sure you know where the meeting-point is, and how to get there, and back to your accommodation afterwards, on foot or by public transport, independently, so that at the end your boss doesn't have to stand outdoors in the cold teaching you how to get home.

Arrive punctually. Keep a look out for your boss, i.e. do not bury yourself in your phone so that he has to look for you. In any case, as soon as you see your boss approaching, switch off your phone, not even onto vibrate, and pack it away completely. Do not peep at it during the evening, not even if you are left at the table alone while your boss goes to the toilet. In that way, you won't risk being tempted to keep him waiting while you finish of something on your phone.

General behaviour: Do not complain about the Swiss authorities, the difficulties and worries you had about getting your permit, or anything you didn't like about the way the company handled your contract. Do not complain about anything you've seen in Switzerland and didn't like, up till now. Instead, thank him for anything he or his colleagues have done to help you. And tell him something that surprised you and made you happy about being in Switzerland.

Do not tell your boss a lot of private details about your family, your current/last partner, your personal feelings and hopes and dreams, or your fears. Similarly, do not ask these things of your boss. He is your boss, not your first friend in Switzerland.

At least at first, keep this conversation professional. Show an interest in what your boss says, thank him for advice, even if you don't happen to agree with it. Remember that he has been here longer and will know more about life here.

Think of some questions you genuinely don't already know all about, and about which you could ask him for advice, for example perhaps about your accommodation search, or how the good deals for public transport work, or a good swimming-pool or library or cycle-route. In particular, if he teaches you things about your job, listen well. Just in case, have a tidy piece of paper and a pen/pencil in your jacket pocket.

If he opens up a little, with non-work-related information, then listen politely and remember what he says, for the future, and follow his lead and tell him a little about yourself.

Your boss will probably pay. If he does, thank him. But definitely have funds with you, to pay, if that seems appropriate.

Welcome to Switzerland!
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Be clean, well-groomed, including hair, teeth and fingernails. Wear modest clothing, clean formal leather shoes (no sneakers), nothing flashy, also no flashy jewellery or big watch, and no intense perfume. If you wear glasses, make sure they are clean.

If you have any special dietary requirements, check in advance to see whether the restaurant your boss has proposed does actually serve something that you can eat. If not, have a look for an alternative nearby, in the same price-range, and ask your boss - before the evening - if it would be alright to change venue, because you cannot eat x or y. If the invitation is to your boss's home (which is not particularly usual, to start with, but might happen) and you have dietary needs, then inform your boss of those a few days in advance, to that you do not embarass him by not being able to eat what he has prepared.

Drink very little alcohol. One drink, maximum, and only if your boss is also having a drink, and only if you know for sure that alcohol doesn't make you silly/aggressive/sleepy/too talkative/boring.

Make sure you know where the meeting-point is, and how to get there, and back to your accommodation afterwards, on foot or by public transport, independently, so that at the end your boss doesn't have to stand outdoors in the cold teaching you how to get home.

Arrive punctually. Keep a look out for your boss, i.e. do not bury yourself in your phone so that he has to look for you. In any case, as soon as you see your boss approaching, switch off your phone, not even onto vibrate, and pack it away completely. Do not peep at it during the evening, not even if you are left at the table alone while your boss goes to the toilet. In that way, you won't risk being tempted to keep him waiting while you finish of something on your phone.

General behaviour: Do not complain about the Swiss authorities, the difficulties and worries you had about getting your permit, or anything you didn't like about the way the company handled your contract. Do not complain about anything you've seen in Switzerland and didn't like, up till now. Instead, thank him for anything he or his colleagues have done to help you. And tell him something that surprised you and made you happy about being in Switzerland.

Do not tell your boss a lot of private details about your family, your current/last partner, your personal feelings and hopes and dreams, or your fears. Similarly, do not ask these things of your boss. He is your boss, not your first friend in Switzerland.

At least at first, keep this conversation professional. Show an interest in what your boss says, thank him for advice, even if you don't happen to agree with it. Remember that he has been here longer and will know more about life here.

Think of some questions you genuinely don't already know all about, and about which you could ask him for advice, for example perhaps about your accommodation search, or how the good deals for public transport work, or a good swimming-pool or library or cycle-route. In particular, if he teaches you things about your job, listen well. Just in case, have a tidy piece of paper and a pen/pencil in your jacket pocket.

If he opens up a little, with non-work-related information, then listen politely and remember what he says, for the future, and follow his lead and tell him a little about yourself.

Your boss will probably pay. If he does, thank him. But definitely have funds with you, to pay, if that seems appropriate.

Welcome to Switzerland!
Many thanks for these detailed advice!

What do you think if I do not drink alcohol? Is it OK? Does it look normal?
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Re: Something to share: my company style

Do you mean that, altogether, you don't touch alcohol? Oh, that's completely fine, as long as you don't signal anything like disapproval of your boss, if he does choose to have a drink.

If you are offered a drink, you do NOT have to accept. It is perfectly fine to decline it politely, for example, you can just say: "Oh, thank you, I'm happy with water/fruit juice".

If you are asked further, say whatever is true, for example:
"No thanks, I don't drink at all." or
"Thank you. I don't drink often, and this has already been rather a busy week with a lot of new impressions, so I prefer not to, this evening."

If, which is not very likely, you are asked WHY you don't drink, you can say, whatever is true, for example:
"It's just not a particularly important thing to me. Somehow I never acquired the taste."
"I found that alcohol tended to trigger migraines, and as long as I avoid it, I'm fine." or
"I grew up not drinking, it just wasn't usual in our family or my circle of friends."
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Sorry for these questions. My background is that this is my first industry chemist job (The company is US one, pretty big). I have been working for like 6 years in university labs. Therefore, I do not want to screw it up. And I have been doing a lot of preparation during this "vacation" October.....
As usual excellent advice from doropfiz.

Since you've been contacted by a future colleague, that's probably whom you want to ask, preferably during meeting them in person.
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Re: Something to share: my company style

Another quick question just popped in my head.

My official start date is 1st November. what do you think about i first arrived at Basel on 18th Oct?

Too early? Too late? or just perfect?
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Another quick question just popped in my head.

My official start date is 1st November. what do you think about i first arrived at Basel on 18th Oct?

Too early? Too late? or just perfect?
Thats a question which can only be answered by you.
Personally I'd say that taking enough time to adjust to a new location, especially when it's in a completely new culture, is never a bad thing.

Starting a new job is stressful enough you don't want to spent energy for little stuff like looking for public transport connections on top of it during your first days.
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Good business behaviour to take a new employee who is new here from abroad out for a meal to make him feel welcome and not too lonely. At least in my days in big business.
Enjoy a relaxed atmosphere but do remember he's your new boss and not your new best friend (at least not yet) don't go overboard!!


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My official start date is 1st November. what do you think about i first arrived at Basel on 18th Oct?

Too early? Too late? or just perfect?
Too early - too late for whom? For what?
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Good business behaviour to take a new employee who is new here from abroad out for a meal to make him feel welcome and not too lonely. At least in my days in big business.
Enjoy a relaxed atmosphere but do remember he's your new boss and not your new best friend (at least not yet) don't go overboard!!



Too early - too late for whom? For what?
Thanks. I definitely do remind myself he is my boss and I take this dinner as a business (this is why I ask for advice here!)

If I arrive too late, then I am worried how I am perceived by my boss and colleagues (i.e. well, this new person is not well prepared)

I just wanna know sort-of normal/usual length of time, to see if I am doing what is considered normal.
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Thanks. I definitely do remind myself he is my boss and I take this dinner as a business (this is why I ask for advice here!)

If I arrive too late, then I am worried how I am perceived by my boss and colleagues (i.e. well, this new person is not well prepared)

I just wanna know sort-of normal/usual length of time, to see if I am doing what is considered normal.
They're not bothered about what you do in your private time (arrival etc.).
But you better be spot on time on your first day at work. If they say, come between 8 and 9 - come at 8.30h.
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They're not bothered about what you do in your private time (arrival etc.).
But you better be spot on time on your first day at work. If they say, come between 8 and 9 - come at 8.30h.
And if they say come at 8.00, be there at 7.55 and wait 5 min.
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And if they say come at 8.00, be there at 7.55 and wait 5 min.
Yep, true. But not at 7.40h either.
ROFL - but that's only advice for the first day. Don't worry.
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It's probably not at all the case, but don't rule out that he might simply be trying to get into your pants.
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way way way too much personal info posted by op !! switzerland is very small so the chances of new boss being made aware of this (and ops other posts) are pretty high.

If I was the new boss I'd be pretty p155ed off with op and also a little concerned about their worldly experience
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If the boss has invited you, he will pay, absolute no brainer
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