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"Wohnen in der Schweiz" / Arbeitslosenkasse

I have a question regarding Arbeitslosenkasse. Maybe somebody can help me. The situation is as follows: I have worked in Switzerland for three years and eight months (full-time position), EU citizen, B permit. I got fired. Now I am claiming RAV. In the meantime, we cancel our contract on our apartment and currently living in air BnB and deciding if we will stay or go abroad for some time. I always had a C/O address. We didn't deregister, or anything just put our post on "postlagern," so we have access to our post anytime. I got papers from Arbeitslosenkasse that they require some documents that I have plus questionnaire: "Wohnen in der Schweiz" - since it is not clear for them that I actually live in Switzerland they want me to fill out this form. Now I can either fill it very official since I don't have a permanent address with air BnB and also provide which I still have the "Haushalt" insurance plus the electricity bill. Or I can go the other way fill it like I am in air BnB tell them I have only postlagern address and at the moment I am considering staying or living. I don't want to trigger some unwanted procedure and, therefore, lose the benefits, but at the same time, I don't want to put a half-true in that form. Does somebody experience this? Thanks a lot in advance for all your replies. Peter
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Old 22.10.2019, 14:56
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Re: "Wohnen in der Schweiz" / Arbeitslosenkasse

So now the EF has become the living-off-benifits-they-haven‘t-contributed-to (but we Finance) equivalent of a money laundering scheme?
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I have worked in Switzerland for three years and eight months (full-time position), EU citizen, B permit. I got fired...currently living in air BnB and deciding if we will stay or go abroad for some time
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So now the EF has become the living-off-benifits-they-haven‘t-contributed-to equivalent of a money laundering scheme?
How do you come to that conclusion? I don't see any indication that the OP is planning to continue to claim if they move away.
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Old 22.10.2019, 15:07
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How do you come to that conclusion? I don't see any indication that the OP is planning to continue to claim if they move away.
Well, I don‘t like financing other peoples lives based on their travel whims for one.

And I certainly can‘t support the idea that EF provides a base on how to circumnavigate residency laws for the other.
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N I can either fill it very official since I don't have a permanent address with air BnB
Or make it really official and register yourself simply at the Air BnB address.
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Old 22.10.2019, 15:27
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They haven't left Switzerland.
Exactly, and want to continue claiming benefits from the RAV.

My posts will no doubt be deleted by a kindly ACE1 or so, but I’m sick and tired of paying for things in my taxes like travel whims, in a country that is struggling on issues such as how to pay pensions.

Yes, it really rattles me.

So, to answer a question. Swiss Banking holds a historical position of being one of the best places for money-laundering through providing advice.

And my comparison to fiddling the RAV system comes from my heart.
Or do you really want to end-up living in an environment like the UK?
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Old 22.10.2019, 15:34
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Exactly, and want to continue claiming benefits from the RAV.

My posts will no doubt be deleted by a kindly ACE1 or so, but I’m sick and tired of paying for things in my taxes like travel whims, in a country that is struggling on issues such as how to pay pensions.

Yes, it really rattles me.

So, to answer a question. Swiss Banking holds a historical position of being one of the best places for money-laundering through providing advice.

And my comparison to fiddling the RAV system comes from my heart.
Or do you really want to end-up living in an environment like the UK?
RAV is not paid out of taxes, it's paid out of unemployment insurance & AHV which is also an insurance.
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Re: "Wohnen in der Schweiz" / Arbeitslosenkasse

The problem with "postlagernd" is that you can't be written to to on short notice, for instance if a job opening pops up. Likewise with temporary addressess, perhaps unless you can provide them well in advance.
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But surely for as long as they actually reside de facto and de jure in Switzerland, they are entitled to the benefits?!
Anyone, ANYONE, could establish the situation described by the poster.
Think about it.
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Re: "Wohnen in der Schweiz" / Arbeitslosenkasse

To be eligible for Swiss unemployment compensation, the job-seeker must maintain his/ her center of life in Switzerland. The Kasse can ask additional questions to determine this. If the Kasse is not satisified, the police can be requested to intercede.



For more details, please see para. B135 to B142 at this link:



AVIG-Praxis ALE (Arbeitslosenentschädigung) (gültig ab 1.7.2019) (PDF, 3 MB, 30.07.2019)
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Old 22.10.2019, 15:44
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You should not touch your computer anymore today, the amount of not understanding the topic and thus spitting out a bunch of bollocks is extra-ordinary.
Maybe it just comes from being sick and tired of paying for other peoples existences, whether through working and paying IV, AHV etc during a lifetime as well as AV.

As a Swiss, it pisses me off that hypocrites living here exploit the system.

And whether one is an immigrant or the self acclaimed ex-pat, coming to CH and living-off the system is not OK when it was just not thought-through in the first place.
And that is what really irritates me.
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There is no indication they have left the country.

No, but quitting your apartment and moving in to an AirBnB makes the alarm bells ring.
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No, but quitting your apartment and moving in to an AirBnB makes the alarm bells ring.
Did everyone miss the „I always had a C/O address“ bit?
And who takes out a HaushaltVersicherung“ for an AirBnB
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Maybe it just comes from being sick and tired of paying for other peoples existences, whether through working and paying IV, AHV etc during a lifetime as well as AV.

As a Swiss, it pisses me off that hypocrites living here exploit the system.

And whether one is an immigrant or the self acclaimed ex-pat, coming to CH and living-off the system is not OK when it was just not thought-through in the first place.
And that is what really irritates me.
OP worked for over 3,5 yrs, he paid his taxes which gives him certain rights, he got fired and like we all would do is claiming RAV, he lives here and is overthinking what he will do with his future, in the meanwhile he cancelled his rent and resides in an AriBnB and is now asking how to combine living in an AirBnB with the entitlement to the RAV.

Up to now there is nothing in the posts of OP that justify your ranting in this topic. If you have a pissed off day that is one thing you currently barking up the wrong tree is another.
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Old 22.10.2019, 16:10
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OP worked for over 3,5 yrs, he paid his taxes which gives him certain rights, he got fired and like we all would do is claiming RAV, he lives here and is overthinking what he will do with his future, in the meanwhile he cancelled his rent and resides in an AriBnB and is now asking how to combine living in an AirBnB with the entitlement to the RAV.

Up to now there is nothing in the posts of OP that justify your ranting in this topic. If you have a pissed off day that is one thing you currently barking up the wrong tree is another.
Whatever guys
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OP wants to reduce costs and moves somewhere cheaper.

How is this milking the syste,?

They still have to look for jobs, have monthly meetings with their advisor, etc.

The mind boggles.

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want to continue claiming benefits from the RAV
ALK, not RAV. The RAV doesn't pay anyone anything.

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So now the EF has become the living-off-benifits-they-haven‘t-contributed-to (but we Finance) equivalent of a money laundering scheme?
If they worked here for 3.5 years, they certainly HAVE contributed, so what's the problem?

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Old 22.10.2019, 16:20
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They haven't left Switzerland.
Exactly, and want to continue claiming benefits from the RAV.
Yes. Correct. People residing in Switzerland who've worked for 3.5 years in Switzerland, wish to continue claiming the benefits they're entitled to. Well done. Glad that's settled.

@Peter999 - are you asking this as a prelude to going on a long travel break and continuing to receive unemployment benefit?
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Yes. Correct. People residing in Switzerland who've worked for 3.5 years in Switzerland, wish to continue claiming the benefits they're entitled to. Well done. Glad that's settled.

@Peter999 - are you asking this as a prelude to going on a long travel break and continuing to receive unemployment benefit?


Well that sounds rather good.

Do you have a business card? I’d love Canada
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