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Re: Work and mental health

Hello everyone,

I did see my doctor today about this.
He talked to me about increasing medications, but the one I took for a short while I din't find them helpful, so I said to him that I would have preferred to go for a different approach.

Basically, he was open to different "solutions" but he told me that I have to figure out what I want to do, and which way suits me best.
After that he signed me off work with a sick note for a week, and I will come back working next week, which I'm willing to do and see how it goes from there.

Couple of options he talked to me about are:

1) Be open about this problem with colleagues and boss at work, maybe seek an unpaid holiday of 3 months and concentrate on psychotherapy during this time - I'm not really enthusiastic about this option, first because I will have to explain to basically all the team that I'm going through some mental health issue - not easy, and after the 3 months I'm sure people will see me differently or at least treat me a bit differently.

2) Get an Unfit to work Certification - he said he can provided it (he said for 6 weeks but I'm not sure if it could be more), concentrate on therapy and decide if I wanna keep open doors at my current job or hand in resignations.

Now, if I will get signed off as unfit to work and I will give my resignations, how does it work? Does the RAV kick in after the sick leave / there is a waiting period?

Thanks all.
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.... I will give my resignations...
Do not resign from your job. I think that would be a very bad move, especially while one is ill. Just please, don't do that.

You also cannot claim any unemployment money if you are ill: they will pay only in the case that someone is well enough to work.
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Re: Work and mental health

I'm aware it wouldn't be a great move but then what is advisable to do, financially speaking?

Get a sick leave and wait till I get fired?
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Couple of options he talked to me about are:

1) Be open about this problem with colleagues and boss at work, maybe seek an unpaid holiday of 3 months and concentrate on psychotherapy during this time - I'm not really enthusiastic about this option, first because I will have to explain to basically all the team that I'm going through some mental health issue - not easy, and after the 3 months I'm sure people will see me differently or at least treat me a bit differently.
It's a lot ore common than you might think.. In my place I know at least 5 people who've take some time out and likely a lot more I don't know about.

A: You don't need to go into great detail
B: You don't need to make a public announcement
C: It's not like you've turned into an axe murderer
D: You won't be the first
E: Or the last
F: Talking to somebody / anybody will probably help
G: blah blah blah

This is a pretty common thing, you really don't need to quit and hide.
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Hello everyone,

I did see my doctor today about this.
He talked to me about increasing medications, but the one I took for a short while I din't find them helpful, so I said to him that I would have preferred to go for a different approach.

Basically, he was open to different "solutions" but he told me that I have to figure out what I want to do, and which way suits me best.
After that he signed me off work with a sick note for a week, and I will come back working next week, which I'm willing to do and see how it goes from there.

Couple of options he talked to me about are:

1) Be open about this problem with colleagues and boss at work, maybe seek an unpaid holiday of 3 months and concentrate on psychotherapy during this time - I'm not really enthusiastic about this option, first because I will have to explain to basically all the team that I'm going through some mental health issue - not easy, and after the 3 months I'm sure people will see me differently or at least treat me a bit differently.

2) Get an Unfit to work Certification - he said he can provided it (he said for 6 weeks but I'm not sure if it could be more), concentrate on therapy and decide if I wanna keep open doors at my current job or hand in resignations.

Now, if I will get signed off as unfit to work and I will give my resignations, how does it work? Does the RAV kick in after the sick leave / there is a waiting period?

Thanks all.

Don't resign. Take the week to look after yourself.

As for meds...,they take 2-4 weeks to work so don't dismiss them out of hand. Talking therapies also help. Try a mindfulness app on your phone.

I hope you feel better soon.
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Re: Work and mental health

Getting sick leave is, yes, for while one is sick. And for using that time to get better.

Being written off sick does not necessarily lead to being fired. On the contrary, many employers would prefer their employee to regain health and continue to work there, rather than having to go out and recruit someone new.

Financially speaking, the very best thing you could do is to find out what is causing your symptoms and work out how to lessen or dissolve them, so you can be healthy enough to continue to live your life by earning your own salary. Any other path will leave you with less money than a proper income from working.

The means towards becoming healthier can be many, but the first route to follow, based on the opinion of your doctor and with your symptoms as you describe them, is psychotherapy.

Psychotherapy can be done as an out-patient or as an in-patient.

As an in-patient,
you can get the time to go to a clinic by
  • being on sick-leave with a doctor's certificate
  • using up your overtime and/or your vacation days
  • taking unpaid leave.

If you take the second route, probably nobody will notice.

If you take the third route, you will be without earnings or income.
As an out-patient,
  • you can continue to work and see the therapist outside of working hours, (before work, during long lunchbreaks, after work or on Saturdays, during hours you're compensating because you already accumulated overtime), or
  • just take that little bit of time off work that is necessary to get to the appointments with the the therapist, or
  • be on sick-leave but staying at home and going to see the therapist from there.

If you take the first route, nobody needs to know at all.

If you take the second route, and it is regular, you're likely to end up having to explain to your manager why you always have to have a long-lunch every Thursday, or so.
Whether you go for in-patient or out-patient treatment, if you have a doctor's certificate saying you are too ill to work, you will be paid most of your salary during that time, at least to start with, and then a slightly reduced percentage, according to your employer's insurance for continuation of payments during sick-leave.

Your employer will know that you are off work, with a doctor's certificate, but does not have access to any of the information about why you are off work. If it goes on for a long time, such as two or more months, then you may be called upon to give your work's doctor or the insurance's doctor access to speaking to your treating doctor.

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This is a pretty common thing, you really don't need to quit and hide.
Yes, I agree with this.
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Re: Work and mental health

Take some time out for you. Spend some time with family and friends. I had a similiar situation a few years back and had to step out of everything to re-evaluate where I was going in my life and what I was doing. I had a mental breakdown and was in a really bad place. There is more to life then work and yeah, a trip away can help relax short-term but be around people who you know and trust and perhaps find one thing to look forward do each week like a club, I did running once a week or swimming on a Sunday night to myself mentally prepare for the week ahead.
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Take some time out for you. Spend some time with family and friends. I had a similiar situation a few years back and had to step out of everything to re-evaluate where I was going in my life and what I was doing. I had a mental breakdown and was in a really bad place. There is more to life then work and yeah, a trip away can help relax short-term but be around people who you know and trust and perhaps find one thing to look forward do each week like a club, I did running once a week or swimming on a Sunday night to myself mentally prepare for the week ahead.
This. Although I'd recommend running/swimming/other physical endevours every day until there is better chemical balance. It is good to have something intensely physical going on, aside of having intense work commitment.
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Old 12.11.2019, 20:43
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Hello everyone,

I did see my doctor today about this.
He talked to me about increasing medications, but the one I took for a short while I din't find them helpful, so I said to him that I would have preferred to go for a different approach.

Basically, he was open to different "solutions" but he told me that I have to figure out what I want to do, and which way suits me best.
After that he signed me off work with a sick note for a week, and I will come back working next week, which I'm willing to do and see how it goes from there.

Couple of options he talked to me about are:

1) Be open about this problem with colleagues and boss at work, maybe seek an unpaid holiday of 3 months and concentrate on psychotherapy during this time - I'm not really enthusiastic about this option, first because I will have to explain to basically all the team that I'm going through some mental health issue - not easy, and after the 3 months I'm sure people will see me differently or at least treat me a bit differently.

2) Get an Unfit to work Certification - he said he can provided it (he said for 6 weeks but I'm not sure if it could be more), concentrate on therapy and decide if I wanna keep open doors at my current job or hand in resignations.

Now, if I will get signed off as unfit to work and I will give my resignations, how does it work? Does the RAV kick in after the sick leave / there is a waiting period?

Thanks all.
If you take an unpayed leave, you don't need to give any explanation.
Or - if you feel like giving one - you can give any that crosses your mind. Any. Holidays are a private matter.

When resigning you need to consider other aspects: Are you Swiss .... what permit do you have if not ....how easy is it to find an other job for you .... are you single or do people depend on your income, do you need an other job, if not how long for ....
Depending on the answers to all this, the pressure and anxiety attacks will only increase.
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Old 12.11.2019, 20:53
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Re: Work and mental health

I was in this situation recently and CBD really helped. It's legal here and easily purchased at any head shop. Upside is it dampens anxiety while allowing you to function normally - it doesn't get you high like normal pot. I even smoked it just before 3 interviews to take the edge off (and I landed the job!). Stopped it now because I don't need it - the source of the anxiety is now gone.
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Depending on the answers to all this, the pressure and anxiety attacks will only increase.
Nice one!
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Depending on the answers to all this, the pressure and anxiety attacks will only increase.>>


Nice one!
I meant in connection with quitting your job
Which is why I side with unpayed holidays. (after which you can still quit if it turns out the right thing to be)
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Re: Work and mental health

Adding my voice to all who said: See a psychiatrist.
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After cancer treatment and the debilitating stress it caused, I was able to go on sick leave for 10 months. My employer had no choice but to be supportive due to internal policies. I am not sure if you work in a large corporation, many of them have protections from employees on sick leave due to unions...look into it. I could have potentially been on sick leave for up to two years. My employer could have fired me at anytime, but they still would have had to pay my salary as long as I was on sick leave.

Resigning is absolutely not necessary. Most psychiatrists will write an initial two weeks off and will continue extending it if needed. When I was in treatment, my psychiatrist informed me that if I were to quit my job, he would inform RAV that I had to quit my job due to health purposes. Therefore, I would get financial compensation right away. The only problem would be that RAV would expect you to be actively looking for employment and ready for work once an offer is made. This would only be a solution if you were feeling better and your actual work/employer is what is making you ill.

I would seriously consider just taking initially two weeks off on medical leave and going into treatment. It will give you a better picture for the way forwards. All the best!
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Re: Work and mental health

hi

one is suggested by a doc to work 50%, while taking other 50% as sickness due to depression and anxiety.

Can employer fire one because of this?
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Old 26.11.2020, 21:43
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Hi

At this moment anxiety and depression is a major problem due to the pandemic and the negative news.

If you go to a psychiatrists more often than not they will prescribe a medication. If they do ask why and if there is an alternative. If they prescribe first go home and check out the side effects on the internet.

What you are doing by asking this question on this list is a start. You are talking about it.

Anxiety is a high state of mind. Lots of have tos and need tos. A lot of expectations. Then when expectations are not met we get down.

What you need to do is practice breathing. This can calm the system. You can pick up some equipment at heartmath. It is biofeedback. About 300 Euro. You can start now just by sitting in a chair. Slowly breath in through your nose and slowly out through mouth. The challenge is to keep your focus on your breathing. Everyone has this issue. It is difficult because it is boring. Keep it simple.

Also take brakes from office. I would also avoid watching the news. At lunch time go for a walk by yourself and breath while you walk. If you are feeeling anxious excuse yourself and go the toilet and breath. It is all about lettiing go

Do not watch news or anxious TV before you go to bed. Read something relaxing and or listen to calming music.

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hi

one is suggested by a doc to work 50%, while taking other 50% as sickness due to depression and anxiety.

Can employer fire one because of this?
In general, in Switzerland, an employer can terminate the employment contract at any time, and with no reason, as long as they fulfil the notice period set out in the employment contract.

There are exceptions, such as pregnancy or being on military leave, or being ill.

Not all types of "being ill" are equal, though. In some circumstances the employee is protected, while others are not.

Here's an article in the Beobachter, (a magazine of critical articles on social and insurance topics) setting out the differences.
https://www.beobachter.ch/arbeit/arb...bei-entlassung
If you don't read German, you'll need to run it through "google translate" or "deepl".
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You may want to try neurofeedback. Try unique therapy in Zurich. By the way I do not work there. It is non invasive(non meds)
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For your information

Season Affective Disorder

https://www.amenclinics.com/blog/fou...easonal-blues/
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