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Re: Work and mental health

Susie-Q makes a very good point.

Thank you very much, roegner, for the generous way in which you've tidied up this thread, really well.

I think it's a very good thing that this particular poster has been anonymised, because I think that she means well in the world.

I believe she has now probably learnt something about the importance of taking one's professional reputation along, (and that everything, anywhere, that one posts online ought to be taken as being public, and being there forever) and, from the various responses here, about how posts online can work, helpfully or otherwise.

Once again, thank you, roegner.
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Re: Work and mental health

I am going through a really hard time at the moment and am unable to turn off and not think about work, team and how unpleasant it is - I have different feelings during the day but I know I am in a difficult place and really want to understand my options

Can I ask NotAllThere or others who have gone through this for some anecdotal advice?

If I go to the doctor and get a one week sick note will it say depression or not? I worry that once I get a note like that the relationship with my manager which is already shaky will really blow up.

Also what is the likely duration of time off in your experience? If it is one week then I feel its better to just soldier on - If it is 8 weeks then I think it might be worth it...

I m not being work shy but this is the first time in my 15 year career where I feel scared, anxious, lonely and really depressed to the point where I start crying from time to time - Switzerland was a dream come true but this year has been horrible with a demotion, change in manager, more pressure and promised promo going up in smokes and I have always felt over the last few months I am one email away from getting fired.

Each 121 with my manager I worry that HR will be there to fire me - It has stopped me enjoying everything I used to and my health has suffered

Thank all for this supportive network
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Re: Work and mental health

Your life and your health is worth more than your job

I am not a doctor, so wouldn't even dream of making a diagnosis. What I can say is that I was not sleeping well, I was anxious, I dreaded going into work, and I found it hard to make every day decisions.

When I was signed off for stress, I got three weeks. But if after three weeks I hadn't felt better, then I would have been signed off for a further three weeks.

So, Monday, make an appointment to see your doctor. You may wish to call in sick at work, if you're allowed to self-certify for a short while. He/she should be able to make an initial diagnosis. Try not self-diagnose, and if you're prone to drinking - best not to, if you can. Also, talk to friends/family about every day stuff.
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Re: Work and mental health

Thank you Nat. After three weeks were you better and if nit why did you not get a further three weeks off?

Did the doctor actually examine you or just give you a sick certificate and that was all ?
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Re: Work and mental health

Hi bankman,

I’m so very sorry you are going through a hard time.

The doctor will in no way write your diagnosis on the medical letter. Normally, they will issue a two weeks sick leave and will regularly meet with you to see if you are doing better & will extend it if needed. Referral to a psychiatrist for medication or therapy may be recommended too during this time. Your employer will never need to know what your diagnosis is unless you tell them.

I once was where you were and I wish I had done it sooner. My recommendation is to find a good doctor, be open and honest with them and take the time you need.

Wishing you all the very best!
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Hi bankman,

Iím so very sorry you are going through a hard time.

The doctor will in no way write your diagnosis on the medical letter. Normally, they will issue a two weeks sick leave and will regularly meet with you to see if you are doing better & will extend it if needed. Referral to a psychiatrist for medication or therapy may be recommended too during this time. Your employer will never need to know what your diagnosis is unless you tell them.

I once was where you were and I wish I had done it sooner. My recommendation is to find a good doctor, be open and honest with them and take the time you need.

Wishing you all the very best!
Hi Bankman,

Susie-Q is right, and feel assured that you are not alone in what you are going through. There are probably so many ďbankersĒ here of EF, who have experienced the same.

PM me if you would like a recommendation for a good doc to discuss with
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Thank you Nat. After three weeks were you better and if nit why did you not get a further three weeks off?

Did the doctor actually examine you or just give you a sick certificate and that was all ?
I was feeling fine and able to come back fighting after the weeks. I knew my job was over so I invested my energy getting the best exit plan. Worth more than being fired.

We had an chat. He made a diagnosis. Invited me to a stress reduction therapy session, and wrote me a note.
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I was feeling fine and able to come back fighting after the weeks. I knew my job was over so I invested my energy getting the best exit plan. Worth more than being fired.

We had an chat. He made a diagnosis. Invited me to a stress reduction therapy session, and wrote me a note.
My coach supported me through achieving an exit package of about CHF half a million - redundancy is not a given in Ch
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Re: Work and mental health

Dear bankman,

it is sad to hear your problems, but have have to look for yourself and look for another job.
Sometimes the problems at the workplace can be overhwelming , the HR works only for the interests of the company (not the people who work for it) and sometimes your chief does not communicate how it should be (and how you deserve it).I had the same problems with my chief, he refused 121, did not communicate at all , used commnicate over third parties, the list goes on and on.
When you feel mobbed, make daily notes about what happend , talk with your doc about your problems.
Hire an attorney to help you fight against your chief.

Get over it........

When the workplace is so poisoned , it is better to leave when you got another job.
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Re: Work and mental health

Hi Bankman,

I am very sorry about your situation. As other posters mentioned, you have to look after yourself and start looking for another job asap. Three years ago I ended up in a difficult situation at work. My life at work turned into hell, and my mental and physical health started to deteriorate, even the old knee surgery was suddenly bothering me. As soon as I have decided to look for another job, I was feeling much better. I quit the job where I was working for over 10 years, and now I can say with certainty that this was the best decision. Three year later I am back in the same company, in another group and in a higher level job.

Try to take control of your life, YOU have to help yourself. Make an appointment with a doctor as soon as possible, start checking the job advertising, update your CV. Take care of yourself!
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Re: Work and mental health

Don't be discouraged if the doctor gives you a note for only one week, or only two weeks. Some doctors are hesitant to give sick-leave for long, because they don't want to discourage the person, and/or because they do want to be sure that the patient will come back to them, soon, because this is part of the doctor's responsible care.

After all, doctors have to start somewhere, while they don't know all the facts, to see whether rest alone brings relief. And then you need for the doctor to hear more of what is going on, to decide on what kind of therapy, if any, is needed, depending on your personality, your interests and feelings, and so on.

There's a thread here about psychotherapy:
https://www.englishforum.ch/family-m...t-how-get.html

Although it is easy to conclude that the causality is "bad job" to "feeling terrible", a good doctor/therapist will want to try to help you figure out whether there are other matters bothering you, in addition to the stressors at work, so as to choose which to address first.

I wish you courage and a good match with a doctor and/or psychotherapist.

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Re: Work and mental health

Thank you all - This is very humbling advice for which I am grateful

I never really paid attention to mental health thinking it was some kind of fad and always managed to soldier on and be resillient

But I really have realised that this is important and no longer taboo

Thank you again
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Thank you all - This is very humbling advice for which I am grateful

I never really paid attention to mental health thinking it was some kind of fad and always managed to soldier on and be resillient

But I really have realised that this is important and no longer taboo

Thank you again
Have you got an appointment then?
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Re: Work and mental health

Hi I reached out to the medical insurance hmo doctor today who promised to call back tomorrow morning so thatís hopefully making some progress

As I am now renewing my health insurance I wanted to ask if there were any good recommendations for mental health doctors in Schwyz or Zurich

Finally I have always had the 2509 excess and hmo doctor model because I never valued healthcare. Given that next year will have a few doctor visits and some psychotherapy would it be useful to move from hmo model to a different healthcare model? To be honest I never quite understood the pros and cons of the different models (and I did read the sticky) but opted instead on the excess amount

If it helps Iím with Sanitas insurance with no supplemental cover
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Re: Work and mental health

I would definitely change the franchise to a lower one if you can.



Also, don't be too alarmed if your mental health bites you hard when you get the sick note - it will take pressure off in some ways, and in others put more pressure on you.



Something you said really fit with my experience - I felt I could do anything and flew into plenty of trauma situations and fought back out again before I hit about 38...


Then a period of high stress, family and work situation, general grind of life and the weather, changing situation with my parents back home as they get older, etc etc, led to my body basically saying 'nope, can't do this stress thing anymore' - I developed a panic disorder... with hindlisght, I have a history of depression and anxiety, but always managed to function my way out of it.


This time was different... and I needed some substantial professional support.



That was nearly 5 years ago. My body now will bite me back every time I take on high stress situations... and part of the recovery has been to take a new attitude to many things - before I got 'sick' things like 'self-care' 'meditation' and 'lifestyle choices' had very different meaning to what they do now... I had to learn to approach life with some different strategies, and in some ways my personality has also changed over that time as well.
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I am going through a really hard time at the moment and am unable to turn off and not think about work, team and how unpleasant it is - I have different feelings during the day but I know I am in a difficult place and really want to understand my options......

If I go to the doctor and get a one week sick note will it say depression or not? I worry that once I get a note like that the relationship with my manager which is already shaky will really blow up.....
When I found myself in a similar position I was also worried about this. In fact, the doctor just signs you off, stating that you are currently unfit for work for X days/weeks. They do NOT put any reason on the certificate, nor are you under any pressure to go into any detail with your HR department. If it's a job / company that you want to continue with for some time then naturally you'd normally talk to them about the problem. But if you feel bullied or depressed and actually want to move away from the job after taking a period of sick leave (as happened to me once) then don't volunteer detailed information. Your boss / company are not allowed to put pressure on you to tell them, as far as I'm aware.
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Re: Work and mental health

Like you Bankman, I never really thought about mental health much until I was faced with a situation at work this past year that really affected me.
The company I had happily worked for for 11 years (my personal dream job to coin a phrase) was taken over and initially all went well. When we came out of lockdown in may and were able to resume normal business, things started to deteriorate rapidly. I went from enjoying going to work to feeling physically sick at the thought of it and crying on a daily basis. My blood pressure was off the charts and I eventually had to see a cardiologist who basically said to get rid of the stress. My gp whom I've been with 20 years, wanted to sign me off several times but I refused always saying I needed to make all was under control at work. Long story short was my gp finally getting me to accept being signed off sick, getting me fast tracked to a psychologist and after 3 months of taking back my life me feeling a lot better. I'm no longer working at the same company and feel a lot better for it. I've moved on and have taken charge of my life again.
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Re: Work and mental health

This topic and thread has helped me understand a lot which was causing confusion.

From people I know in Zurich some have managed to get four months off work without too much trouble so I donít know why some people suggested a few weeks off. Mental health can take months to solve and that is what insurers and companies plan and prepare for
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