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Old 24.01.2020, 11:07
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Re: Do Brits have the same rights as EU citizens in Switzerland after Brexit?

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There is no reason for treating the UK any different from the other third countries and it is to be expected that other third countries such as the US will pressure us to do so.
There are already third countries which have a bit more privileges regarding immigration to CH than the US and other third countries have: Andorra, Brunei, Japan, Malaysia, New Zealand, San Marino, Singapore, and the Holy See. If the US wants them as well they must give something in return.
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Old 24.01.2020, 13:21
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Swings and roundabouts?
Not enough exits in a Swiss roundabout and only two directions to swing?
It's a phrase. if there are similar pros and cons to a plan, or to each available option, I'll often say "It's all swings and roundabouts".


'If you say that a situation is swings and roundabouts, you mean that there are as many gains as there are losses.' https://www.collinsdictionary.com/di...nd-roundabouts
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Old 24.01.2020, 13:39
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There are already third countries which have a bit more privileges regarding immigration to CH than the US and other third countries have: Andorra, Brunei, Japan, Malaysia, New Zealand, San Marino, Singapore, and the Holy See. If the US wants them as well they must give something in return.
Would you accept Trump?
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Old 24.01.2020, 13:55
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Would you accept Trump?
We tested the product a few days. It seemed to be faulty, was returned to sender.
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Old 24.01.2020, 13:57
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Would you accept Trump?
Sure, he could learn a lot here.
But I think his cognitive abilities are not promising success.
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Re: Do Brits have the same rights as EU citizens in Switzerland after Brexit?

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There is no reason for treating the UK any different from the other third countries and it is to be expected that other third countries such as the US will pressure us to do so.
To maintain good relations is one reason. I would think that the UK will be considered on the same level as countries like Iceland and Norway which already have special access.
And as mentioned, the Swiss have an interest in the UK as they have around 35'000 citizens who reside there.
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To maintain good relations is one reason. I would think that the UK will be considered on the same level as countries like Iceland and Norway which already have special access.
Why would they be considered on the same level? Iceland and Norway signed up to EFTA and the FMOP, therefore their mutual citizens with Switzerland are free to come and go. UK, once it cuts ties with the EU, won't have this.
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Old 24.01.2020, 15:35
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...are betting on the UK economy going into free fall.
That's certainly my plan.

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The transition period of course could be extended, but it won't go on for decades or a lifetime.
Hmm. Not convinced!

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you will not need a Swiss passport to stay in Switzerland after Brexit but after the transition period we are likely to be ranked behind swiss and eu/efta candidates for any jobs and a swiss passport will be more valuable than a UK one as it also provides freedom of movement which uk citizens will forfeit when Brexit occurs.
As CH residents, there's no requirement to fail to find a Swiss/EU/EFTA candidate first. FoM comes by virtue of our residency permits, which are considered Schengen visas. The only restriction is that we cannot so easily work within the EU. I can, however, still attended meetings and workshops.
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Old 24.01.2020, 15:37
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Re: Do Brits have the same rights as EU citizens in Switzerland after Brexit?

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As mentioned, to maintain good relations. Both sides have interest in doing so. The UK is clearly going to have a different or special status post-Brexit, just as Switzerland does for so many other things.
I doubt it is going to be the hardest Brexit imaginable where the UK is no longer considered at all.
History and interconnecting relations for so many things which have been built up over decades point to this.
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Old 24.01.2020, 15:41
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As mentioned, to maintain good relations. Both sides have interest in doing so. The UK is clearly going to have a different or special status post-Brexit, just as Switzerland does for so many other things.
I doubt it is going to be the hardest Brexit imaginable where the UK is no longer considered at all.
History and interconnecting relations for so many things which have been built up over decades point to this.
Any evidence of this? I haven´t read anything that the UK is going to have a special status, other than that BJ maybe wants that.
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As mentioned, to maintain good relations. Both sides have interest in doing so. The UK is clearly going to have a different or special status post-Brexit, just as Switzerland does for so many other things.
I doubt it is going to be the hardest Brexit imaginable where the UK is no longer considered at all.
History and interconnecting relations for so many things which have been built up over decades point to this.
You don't seem to understand the difference between what Switzerland, Norway and Iceland have and what the UK won't have.

All of this "special" and "different" status you seem to be clinging to is not what Boris Johnson wants. He has literally amended the agreement to take out any kind of softening of the withdrawal.

I suggest you read up on the situation thus far.
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Old 24.01.2020, 15:50
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. FoM comes by virtue of our residency permits, which are considered Schengen visas.
FoM does not mean border less travel. FoM and Schengen are two separate treaties. FoM means you can reside where ever you want and, independently to that, work where ever you want. Not just within Switzerland but also across the EU. As an UK national your FoM might be limited within the borders of Switzerland. Getting a permit G as a third national is not easy and bound to many conditions.
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Any evidence of this? I haven´t read anything that the UK is going to have a special status, other than that BJ maybe wants that.
I have not followed the Brexit saga much, but from what I can make out, most EU countries were planning special status for UK citizens in the event of a no deal Brexit as long as this was reciprocated by the UK.
Also it seems that both the UK and Switzerland are granting special status to their citizens residing in each others' countries. So yes plenty of evidence there.

It might be totally different of course for new arrivals in the UK from the EU or in the EU from the UK after the transition period ends.

2020 could well be the year to make that move to a country where you really want to settle, providing of course that the transition period is not extended. The key will be to get in before the rules change.
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Old 24.01.2020, 15:56
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As mentioned, to maintain good relations. Both sides have interest in doing so. The UK is clearly going to have a different or special status post-Brexit, just as Switzerland does for so many other things.
I doubt it is going to be the hardest Brexit imaginable where the UK is no longer considered at all.
History and interconnecting relations for so many things which have been built up over decades point to this.
you mean it's not going to be like this:

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Old 24.01.2020, 16:05
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you mean it's not going to be like this:
Daleks? No? A bit of turmoil but all will be fine.
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Old 24.01.2020, 20:58
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FoM does not mean border less travel. FoM and Schengen are two separate treaties.
True enough, but lack of FoM isn't going to affect very many people who are resident in CH from getting another job in CH, and hence drive a need for CH citizenship which was the original contention from BaselLife, and what I was contesting.
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Old 26.01.2020, 16:25
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Re: Do Brits have the same rights as EU citizens in Switzerland after Brexit?

Freedom of movement within the EU27/EFTA/CH/LI (I will use „EU“ hereafter as a generic term) is the ability to move to a country and within certain bounds look for work, take up residence and enjoy rights which are reciprocated between the member states. Not the same as freedom to travel. It is important not to conflate the two.

Your Swiss residency permit may well allow you to travel within the Schengen area in combination with your blue UK passport, however when it comes to applying for work in one of the other member states than Switzerland you will be on equal pegging with „the rest of the world“.

How easy it will be to cross a border post-transition for (e.g.) a business meeting will depend on what Bozo and co agree with the EU, and what visa requirements are imposed on visitors from the EU to the UK.

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That's certainly my plan.

Hmm. Not convinced!

As CH residents, there's no requirement to fail to find a Swiss/EU/EFTA candidate first. FoM comes by virtue of our residency permits, which are considered Schengen visas. The only restriction is that we cannot so easily work within the EU. I can, however, still attended meetings and workshops.
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Old 26.01.2020, 16:27
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Re: Do Brits have the same rights as EU citizens in Switzerland after Brexit?

I am sure that most UK citizens who qualify for CH citizenship will apply for it anyway, regardless of Brexit.
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Old 27.01.2020, 06:57
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I am sure that most UK citizens who qualify for CH citizenship will apply for it anyway, regardless of Brexit.
It depends on whether they are interested in it and/or planning to stay on in CH. Many just leave.
Remaining in CH is not usually a wise choice for retirees as it is so expensive here and pensions are heavily taxed.
Also CH citizenship can bring complications.
One to bear in mind is inheritance. If you are British but become Swiss also and continue to reside here then you may not be able to use UK rules on inheritance for a start.
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...All the UK MEPs will have lost their jobs...
You know how in the other thread we've been waiting for someone to come up with an actual benefit of the UK leaving the EU? I think you found one...
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