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Re: Do Brits have the same rights as EU citizens in Switzerland after Brexit?

Its the first time that I hear that CH citizenship brings complications and would be interested to know in detail.Is the complication you bring here about Inheritance only relevant for UK citizens or in general? But generally would be interested to know the disadvantages of CH citizenship. don't think there is a thread about it as other threads mostly talk about advantages of CH citizenship.


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Old 27.01.2020, 10:00
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One to bear in mind is inheritance. If you are British but become Swiss also and continue to reside here then you may not be able to use UK rules on inheritance for a start.
OTOH having Swiss nationality can help a lot with inheritance tax.
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Old 27.01.2020, 10:25
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Its the first time that I hear that CH citizenship brings complications and would be interested to know in detail.Is the complication you bring here about Inheritance only relevant for UK citizens or in general? But generally would be interested to know the disadvantages of CH citizenship.
Military service would be one in some cases.

Also taxation. You're obliged to fill in tax returns. The B permit for example offers the possibility to avoid this and in some cases you can be better off financially.

Travel and visa wise the UK passport is ample and one of the best in the world. With the UK exiting, why would you need two non-EU passports?!
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Military service would be one in some cases.
Only if you are male and in the right age bracket.

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Also taxation. You're obliged to fill in tax returns. The B permit for example offers the possibility to avoid this and in some cases you can be better off financially.
Depends on your earnings, some B-permit holders have to do their own returns (over 120K?). Also, if you are on a C-permit you have to do your own declaration, too.

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Travel and visa wise the UK passport is ample and one of the best in the world. With the UK exiting, why would you need two non-EU passports?!
For European travel you can use the EU queue with a Swiss passport and/or switch queues if the ROW queue is shorter.

I think the days of the UK passport being "ONE OF the best in the world" died along with the confident but dubious claim that "...it'll be all straightened out as soon as we inform them that we are British citizens".

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Old 27.01.2020, 10:32
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Its the first time that I hear that CH citizenship brings complications and would be interested to know in detail.
In short. As a Swiss living in Switzerland zou are bound by the rules of the inheritance rules set by the Swiss Civil Code. Please read from Art. 467 onward https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classifi...ndex.html#a467

There are a few simple formalities which must be met that a last will is legal. But more importantly some heirs have a claimable, statutory entitlement to part of the estate. Note: they must claim, but can also forgo it. It is possible that they relinquish their statutory entitlement by a notarized contract.
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Travel and visa wise the UK passport is ample and one of the best in the world. With the UK exiting, why would you need two non-EU passports?!
Singapore and Japan are "officially" the best, Switzerland at number 4 and the UK at number 6 (actually if you read the ranking that should be 16th for the UK and 12th equal for CH).

That last number will probably drop a few places after Brexit, mind.

https://www.independent.co.uk/travel...-a8986621.html
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Old 27.01.2020, 10:37
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Re: Do Brits have the same rights as EU citizens in Switzerland after Brexit?

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Only if you are male and in the right age bracket.
So just as I said, in some cases!

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Depends on your earnings, some B-permit holders have to do their own returns
And again, that's as I said, - in some cases!
We were slightly better off in the first five years on the B than in the sixth year on a C for example.
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Old 27.01.2020, 10:50
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Also taxation. You're obliged to fill in tax returns. The B permit for example offers the possibility to avoid this and in some cases you can be better off financially.
That would affect very few people. By the time they’re eligible for naturalisation the vast majority if people will have a C permit or be filing tax returns anyway. Under the new naturalisation laws one needs a C permit to be eligible to apply.

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And again, that's as I said, - in some cases!
We were slightly better off in the first five years on the B than in the sixth year on a C for example.
And we were the opposite.
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And we were the opposite.
I think it's a secret skills test by the Swiss authorities to see if the new C-permit holder is skilled enough to figure out how to maximise the deductibles on their tax form.

If you're paying more than on a B-permit, y'doin it wrong.
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Re: Do Brits have the same rights as EU citizens in Switzerland after Brexit?

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I think the days of the UK passport being "the best in the world" died along with the confident but dubious claim that "...it'll be all straightened out as soon as we inform them that we are British citizens".
Again, I said one of the best, not just 'the best'.
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Again, I said one of the best, not just 'the best'.
Sure. Edited my post accordingly.

Still stands, though. It's not that special within its equivalent extensive peer group of nations. It's just another European passport but now one without the EU advantages.
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Old 27.01.2020, 11:21
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Re: Do Brits have the same rights as EU citizens in Switzerland after Brexit?

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It's not that special within its equivalent extensive peer group of nations. It's just another European passport but now one without the EU advantages.
For the specific point that I referred to (visas) little is changing.
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Re: Do Brits have the same rights as EU citizens in Switzerland after Brexit?

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If you're paying more than on a B-permit, y'doin it wrong.
Or you live in a commune which has a tax rate above the assumed tax-at-source average.

It might also be that this is the point were the authorities finds out that you did not report all incomes and assets which you should have even if you were on tax at source.

Be aware that some the tax at source information from the cantons (deliberately?) omit certain important information about responsibility to report.
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Re: Do Brits have the same rights as EU citizens in Switzerland after Brexit?

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Military service would be one in some cases.
You mean the green holiday...

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Also taxation. You're obliged to fill in tax returns. The B permit for example offers the possibility to avoid this and in some cases you can be better off financially.
Having to fill out a tax return.... paying taxes on the withhold basis usually is not better financially.

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Travel and visa wise the UK passport is ample and one of the best in the world. With the UK exiting, why would you need two non-EU passports?!
Except the Swiss passport would entitle you to live and work and where in the EU/EEA... and travelling in the middle east would be easier on a CH passport
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You mean the green holiday...
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Having to fill out a tax return.... paying taxes on the withhold basis usually is not better financially.
I did say in some cases it is better.
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Except the Swiss passport would entitle you to live and work and where in the EU/EEA... and travelling in the middle east would be easier on a CH passport
So not many affected there then as it is generally not really a place one wants to go to.
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Old 27.01.2020, 13:36
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Re: Do Brits have the same rights as EU citizens in Switzerland after Brexit?

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Also without a Swiss passport (if you have a Swiss ID card, I only use a Swiss passport to travel to the US/Canada)

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Also without a Swiss passport (if you have a Swiss ID card, I only use a Swiss passport to travel to the US/Canada)

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Err... yes. But both require Swiss citizenship anyway, the advantages/disadvantages of which is what HappyCreature was originally asking about.
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you will not need a Swiss passport to stay in Switzerland after Brexit
Nobody needs a Swiss passport to stay in Switzerland, not even Swiss people!

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Nobody needs a Swiss passport to stay in Switzerland, not even Swiss people!
This is the case in most countries. Most people live their entire lives without a passport.
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Old 27.01.2020, 15:03
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Also without a Swiss passport (if you have a Swiss ID card, I only use a Swiss passport to travel to the US/Canada)

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Good point, blue passports, but still no ID card.
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