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Re: Do Brits have the same rights as EU citizens in Switzerland after Brexit?

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OTOH having Swiss nationality can help a lot with inheritance tax.
It makes no difference to UK, IHT liability.
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Old 27.01.2020, 16:28
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Re: Do Brits have the same rights as EU citizens in Switzerland after Brexit?

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And we were the opposite.
Amazed you did not need to file a tax return when on a B.
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Old 27.01.2020, 16:34
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Re: Do Brits have the same rights as EU citizens in Switzerland after Brexit?

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For European travel you can use the EU queue with a Swiss passport and/or switch queues if the ROW queue is shorter.
Having Swiss citizenship will also enable you to live and work in EU countries, if you wish. After Brexit, this may not be as simple if you only have British citizenship.

Or will we be "subjects" again?
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Re: Do Brits have the same rights as EU citizens in Switzerland after Brexit?

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OTOH having Swiss nationality can help a lot with inheritance tax.
I was referring to the procedure/rules rather than any tax that may or may not be due. Obtaining CH citizenship may have a negative effect on this.
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Old 27.01.2020, 17:16
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Re: Do Brits have the same rights as EU citizens in Switzerland after Brexit?

Getting back to the original question, I am curious if UK B permit holders currently in CH will be able to get a C permit after 5 years as i currently the case?
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I was referring to the procedure/rules rather than any tax that may or may not be due. Obtaining CH citizenship may have a negative effect on this.
For the avoidance of doubt, specifically which procedures and rules?
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Re: Do Brits have the same rights as EU citizens in Switzerland after Brexit?

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For the avoidance of doubt, specifically which procedures and rules?
I believe if a British citizen becomes Swiss, their worldwide assets (except property in CH for which there is a different complication which I don't recall) can no longer be left to whoever you want, but have to be bequeathed under Swiss law. Remaining British only, on any residence permit, avoids this. That was how it was explained to me.
Another option of course is to leave CH.
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Old 27.01.2020, 17:33
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Getting back to the original question, I am curious if UK B permit holders currently in CH will be able to get a C permit after 5 years as i currently the case?
Yes. UK nationals were, are, and will still be able to get permit C after 5 years based on the very same rules as Swedish, Polish, Japanese, U.S. American, Afghani, or Somali people can get C after 5 years. Nothing changes in this regard. Still the same rules before as well as after Brexit.
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Old 27.01.2020, 17:34
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I believe if a British citizen becomes Swiss, their worldwide assets (except property in CH for which there is a different complication which I don't recall) can no longer be left to whoever you want, but have to be bequeathed under Swiss law. Remaining British only, on any residence permit, avoids this. That was how it was explained to me.
Another option of course is to leave CH.
Not if you have your will drawn up in Switzerland and don't specify you want UK law to be applied to it when the time comes.
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Old 27.01.2020, 17:35
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Re: Do Brits have the same rights as EU citizens in Switzerland after Brexit?

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You can't leave everything, even 100% of the house you live in to your partner, husband or wife if you have children or parents living.
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Not if you have your will drawn up in Switzerland and don't specify you want UK law to be applied to it when the time comes.
If you are Swiss you don't have the option of this.
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Not if you have your will drawn up in Switzerland and don't specify you want UK law to be applied to it when the time comes.
Can you rephrase? I don't understand exactly what you mean with the way it's put and the double negative. Sorry!
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Can you rephrase? I don't understand exactly what you mean with the way it's put and the double negative. Sorry!
Isn't a double negative.

I took that to be: If you have your will drawn up in CH, unless you specify you want to follow UK laws and precedents, CH laws will apply.



Secondary qu, just out of interest, can you have a legal document drawn up in one country but specify the laws/precedents of another country?
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Old 27.01.2020, 17:43
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Re: Do Brits have the same rights as EU citizens in Switzerland after Brexit?

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Yes. UK nationals were, are, and will still be able to get permit C after 5 years based on the very same rules as Swedish, Polish, Japanese, U.S. American, Afghani, or Somali people can get C after 5 years. Nothing changes in this regard. Still the same rules before as well as after Brexit.
I understand that 10 years is the normal period required before applying for a C permit. EU citizens can apply after 5 years. Check the Kanton Zurich website.
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Re: Do Brits have the same rights as EU citizens in Switzerland after Brexit?

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I took that to be: If you have your will drawn up in CH, unless you specify you want to follow UK laws and precedents, CH laws will apply.
Thank you. It's clearer how you put it.
If the will is drawn up in the UK, specifying UK law is desired for application and the Brit resides in CH, then this Brit can leave anything to anyone.
The point is - if the Brit becomes Swiss - it is no longer possible and CH law applies regardless. Is this correct?
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Old 27.01.2020, 17:49
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Re: Do Brits have the same rights as EU citizens in Switzerland after Brexit?

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Secondary qu, just out of interest, can you have a legal document drawn up in one country but specify the laws/precedents of another country?
No, what you do is draw up & English will under English law & tell the Swiss you wish your estate to be handled under UK law.
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No, what you do is draw up & English will under English law & tell the Swiss you wish your estate to be handled under UK law.
I did wonder. Ta.
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Thank you. It's clearer how you put it.
If the will is drawn up in the UK, specifying UK law is desired for application and the Brit resides in CH, then this Brit can leave anything to anyone.
The point is - if the Brit becomes Swiss - it is no longer possible and CH law applies regardless. Is this correct?
Yes, this is correct.

If you draw up a will in the UK you also need to sign a document in Switzerland stating that you wish to exercise the rights of your home country and not follow Swiss inheritance rules. This document should be kept with the will.
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Old 27.01.2020, 17:54
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Can you rephrase? I don't understand exactly what you mean with the way it's put and the double negative. Sorry!
The first line of the will should be "This will shall be governed by law of ... which I am a citizen of. "

In case of the U.S. you might change this to: "As a U.S. citizen I declare that this will shall be governed by law of <U.S. state> which was my last place of residence in the U.S. of A."

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You can't leave everything, even 100% of the house you live in to your partner, husband or wife if you have children or parents living.
You still can. But those with an statutory entitlement might object after you are dead. But there are also Voreerben, Nacherben, Wohnrecht, and Pflichtteilsverzicht to achieve certain things.
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Re: Do Brits have the same rights as EU citizens in Switzerland after Brexit?

https://britishineurope.org/2020/01/...s-not-covered/

The Withdrawal Agreement
Whatís Not Covered

Not specifically concerning Switzerland.

Nevertheless, some members/readers of the forum may be cross border workers or may be thinking about becoming one before the rules change (presumably from 1.1.21) and this is specifically mentioned.
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Getting back to the original question, I am curious if UK B permit holders currently in CH will be able to get a C permit after 5 years as i currently the case?



Yes.


https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...rexit/faq.html


and the actual text here
https://www.sem.admin.ch/dam/data/se...k-brexit-e.pdf



The EU/UK Withdrawal Agreement isn't really relevant to UK/CH citizens' rights, and in any case CH and the UK signed their agreement a year ago, and it's a bit more generous than either the WA or even normal EU C-permit rights in some ways.
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