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Do Brits have the same rights as EU citizens in Switzerland after Brexit?

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Do you know if Brits will have the same rights as EU citizens in Switzerland after Brexit?
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Re: Do Brits have the same rights as EU citizens in Switzerland after Brexit?

Do you know if Brits will have the same rights as EU citizens in Switzerland after Brexit?
Yes, I know.

Do Brits have the same rights as EU citizens in Switzerland after Brexit?
No.

Information from the Swiss Goverment:
https://www.eda.admin.ch/dea/en/home...ik/brexit.html

Information from the British Goverment:
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/preparin...it-switzerland
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Hi all,

Do you know if Brits will have the same rights as EU citizens in Switzerland after Brexit?
Beyond the transition period, it is anyone's guess at this stage. I expect that a lot will depend on the nature of the agreement with the EU.

The challenge for Switzerland, even if they wanted to grant such rights is that they have have an agreement with the EU that gives priority to EU/EEA citizens in the work place and if they were to treat the UK differently to any other third country then there could be difficulties with the EU and other third countries such as say the US, Canada etc.. who would rightly feel their citizens were entitled to the same status.

We'll just have to wait and see how it pans out.
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The challenge for Switzerland, even if they wanted to grant such rights is that they have have an agreement with the EU that gives priority to EU/EEA citizens in the work place and if they were to treat the UK differently to any other third country then there could be difficulties with the EU and other third countries such as say the US, Canada etc.. who would rightly feel their citizens were entitled to the same status.
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I am not aware that the treaty with the EU forbids Switzerland to treat other, non-Eu citizens, the same as as EU citizens. Also, AFIAK, the treaty with the EU does not give priority to EU/EEA citizens, but mandates that EU/EEA citizens must be treated the same as Swiss citizens.
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Hi all,

Do you know if Brits will have the same rights as EU citizens in Switzerland after Brexit?
That interests you why?
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What can I say! That is the Swiss for you. There are only too many stories on here which reflect this type of behavior. I would not go back to Switzerland if you paid my weight in gold. I had several bad experiences and I don't endorse Switzerland as a good country to work in, and I do not find the people to be professional either. AND THAT GOES FOR THE BIG FIRMS TOO!
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Old 24.12.2019, 15:06
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I am not aware that the treaty with the EU forbids Switzerland to treat other, non-Eu citizens, the same as as EU citizens. Also, AFIAK, the treaty with the EU does not give priority to EU/EEA citizens, but mandates that EU/EEA citizens must be treated the same as Swiss citizens.
Well, simply put: Thanks to the Schengen agreement can Swiss and EU citizens travel freely around Europe. Part of the duties of a Schengen nation is to make sure that non-Schengen nationals have a "Schengen visa" to enter the block. So in practice did Switzerland give up a bit of its sovereign rights in order to join Schengen - the country now needs to align the visa requirements with the other Schengen members and cannot easily do its own thing anymore.


Realistly speaking will the Brits get the easiest non-EU visas, work permits and everything else possible... but it will be still a lot more paperwork than it is for other EU nationals. As a German do I have the legal right to move to any other EU or Schengen country if I wish to do so. That includes Switzerland. They cannot easily not allow me to move there. A Brit will have to apply for a residence and work permit and the Swiss have all rights to put quotas in place or whatever they wish.



Long story short: the number of Brits who are trying to get an EU passport in the countries they are living in is at a record high right now.
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Well, simply put: Thanks to the Schengen agreement can Swiss and EU citizens travel freely around Europe. Part of the duties of a Schengen nation is to make sure that non-Schengen nationals have a "Schengen visa" to enter the block. So in practice did Switzerland give up a bit of its sovereign rights in order to join Schengen - the country now needs to align the visa requirements with the other Schengen members and cannot easily do its own thing anymore.


Realistly speaking will the Brits get the easiest non-EU visas, work permits and everything else possible... but it will be still a lot more paperwork than it is for other EU nationals. As a German do I have the legal right to move to any other EU or Schengen country if I wish to do so. That includes Switzerland. They cannot easily not allow me to move there. A Brit will have to apply for a residence and work permit and the Swiss have all rights to put quotas in place or whatever they wish.



Long story short: the number of Brits who are trying to get an EU passport in the countries they are living in is at a record high right now.
The Schengen Agreement and the free movement of people are not the same thing. The U.K. was not a part of the Schengen Agreement.

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...-schengen.html

https://www.eda.admin.ch/dea/en/home...uegigkeit.html

The first relates to borders and the second to residency and employment rights.
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Re: Do Brits have the same rights as EU citizens in Switzerland after Brexit?

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Hi all,

Do you know if Brits will have the same rights as EU citizens in Switzerland after Brexit?
No. Why should they?
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Old 24.12.2019, 16:07
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The Schengen Agreement and the free movement of people are not the same thing. The U.K. was not a part of the Schengen Agreement.

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...-schengen.html

https://www.eda.admin.ch/dea/en/home...uegigkeit.html

The first relates to borders and the second to residency and employment rights.

I know. The question was "Do Brits have the same rights as EU citizens" and the correct answer is: the question is badly worded.



The question should be "Do Brits have the same rights as most EU citizens who happen to come from a Schengen country". And the answer is "no". I am pretty sure thats the information the OP wanted to know. He most likely wants to compare his legal status to a French or German citizen, not necessarily to the newest EU member states in the Balkan.


But yes, we can go on and discuss the details of EU treaties... its Christmas after all.
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I know. The question was "Do Brits have the same rights as EU citizens" and the correct answer is: the question is badly worded.



The question should be "Do Brits have the same rights as most EU citizens who happen to come from a Schengen country". And the answer is "no". I am pretty sure thats the information the OP wanted to know. He most likely wants to compare his legal status to a French or German citizen, not necessarily to the newest EU member states in the Balkan.


But yes, we can go on and discuss the details of EU treaties... its Christmas after all.
Yes, the question was badly worded but I don’t think it has anything to do with Schengen.
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Do you know if Brits will have the same rights as EU citizens in Switzerland after Brexit?
I certainly hope not. Brits chose to leave, well, don't let the door hit you on the way out.
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Re: Do Brits have the same rights as EU citizens in Switzerland after Brexit?

Ok, you only look at residency. I also look at the basic question of entering Switzerland. Currently, British citizens only need their passport to enter the Schengen zone. Thats most likely going to change. And this is not a Swiss thing but directly connected to the Schengen treaty. So if a Brit wants to visit CH in the future are they most likely going to need to join the "etias" visa waiver program every three years... you and I dont need to do this... and thats a difference in rights, no?
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Ok, you only look at residency. I also look at the basic question of entering Switzerland. Currently, British citizens only need their passport to enter the Schengen zone. Thats most likely going to change. And this is not a Swiss thing but directly connected to the Schengen treaty. So if a Brit wants to visit CH in the future are they most likely going to need to join the "etias" visa waiver program every three years... you and I dont need to do this... and thats a difference in rights, no?
Looking at it from that angle yes but I’m pretty sure the OP was asking about the residency and employment angle. He said in Switzerland not to enter Switzerland.

The simple answer is that nobody actually knows at the moment. There are agreements in place between the UK and Switzerland up until the end of the tradition period but beyond that nobody knows what will happen.

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I certainly hope not. Brits chose to leave, well, don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Most of us didn't. But there's a whole thread about that somewhere...
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Most of us didn't. But there's a whole thread about that somewhere...
Most Americans I talk with tell me they did not vote for Trump either...
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Re: Do Brits have the same rights as EU citizens in Switzerland after Brexit?

For Brits already in CH do I guess stuff wont change much in the short run. Unless they want to change jobs after Brexit. For the Swiss are there two types of foreigners: EU nationals and Non-EU. The UK moves out of the first class and into the second class. Or to put it into the words of the Swiss government:


"If you come from a non EU/EFTA state and would like to work in Switzerland, you may only do so if you are highly qualified, i.e. if you are a manager, specialist or other skilled professional. This means, above all, you should have a degree from university or an institution of higher education, as well as with several years of professional work experience. Besides professional qualifications, you are also required to fulfil certain other criteria, which facilitate your long-term professional and social integration. These include; professional and social adaptability, knowledge of a language (or languages) and age.
Your future employer must prove that there is no suitable person to fill the job vacancy from Switzerland or from an EU/EFTA state."


https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...gehoerige.html


I would say that several of the EF members I met from the UK came as pretty young people pretty much fresh off university at their time... not sure that will be so easy going forward.
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I am not aware that the treaty with the EU forbids Switzerland to treat other, non-Eu citizens, the same as as EU citizens. Also, AFIAK, the treaty with the EU does not give priority to EU/EEA citizens, but mandates that EU/EEA citizens must be treated the same as Swiss citizens.
There is a price to pay for the agreements with the EU we get preferential access because we give preferential access and that also extends to areas like prioritizing EU manufacturers over third countries in public contractor etc.

I expect the big pressure will come from other third countries demanding the same access, Norway have already stated that the EEA treaty must be renegotiated if the UK gets a better deal. And I would expect our other major trading partners like the US and so on, will not accept their citizens be pushed further down the queue behind the UK either.

The reality is that we cannot afford to upset our major trading partners, so in the end I expect we’ll be following the outcome of the EU/UK deals.
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That interests you why?

I thought that was a promise. Don't disappoint.
Because I am an educated person that likes to learn curly swirly ;-)
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I certainly hope not. Brits chose to leave, well, don't let the door hit you on the way out.
The Brits chose to leave EU.
Switzerland is not in the EU and therefore will make it's own decisions.

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Because I am an educated person that likes to learn curly swirly ;-)
That's a good reason, I can accept that.

Learning from crystal balls is not the best way though and that's all there is just now apart from the admin.ch pages that have been linked numerous times on these type of questions.
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The Brits chose to leave EU.
Switzerland is not in the EU and therefore will make it's own decisions.
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