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Do Brits have the same rights as EU citizens in Switzerland after Brexit?

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Do you know if Brits will have the same rights as EU citizens in Switzerland after Brexit?
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Re: Do Brits have the same rights as EU citizens in Switzerland after Brexit?

Do you know if Brits will have the same rights as EU citizens in Switzerland after Brexit?
Yes, I know.

Do Brits have the same rights as EU citizens in Switzerland after Brexit?
No.

Information from the Swiss Goverment:
https://www.eda.admin.ch/dea/en/home...ik/brexit.html

Information from the British Goverment:
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/preparin...it-switzerland
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Hi all,

Do you know if Brits will have the same rights as EU citizens in Switzerland after Brexit?
Beyond the transition period, it is anyone's guess at this stage. I expect that a lot will depend on the nature of the agreement with the EU.

The challenge for Switzerland, even if they wanted to grant such rights is that they have have an agreement with the EU that gives priority to EU/EEA citizens in the work place and if they were to treat the UK differently to any other third country then there could be difficulties with the EU and other third countries such as say the US, Canada etc.. who would rightly feel their citizens were entitled to the same status.

We'll just have to wait and see how it pans out.
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The challenge for Switzerland, even if they wanted to grant such rights is that they have have an agreement with the EU that gives priority to EU/EEA citizens in the work place and if they were to treat the UK differently to any other third country then there could be difficulties with the EU and other third countries such as say the US, Canada etc.. who would rightly feel their citizens were entitled to the same status.
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I am not aware that the treaty with the EU forbids Switzerland to treat other, non-Eu citizens, the same as as EU citizens. Also, AFIAK, the treaty with the EU does not give priority to EU/EEA citizens, but mandates that EU/EEA citizens must be treated the same as Swiss citizens.
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I am not aware that the treaty with the EU forbids Switzerland to treat other, non-Eu citizens, the same as as EU citizens. Also, AFIAK, the treaty with the EU does not give priority to EU/EEA citizens, but mandates that EU/EEA citizens must be treated the same as Swiss citizens.
Well, simply put: Thanks to the Schengen agreement can Swiss and EU citizens travel freely around Europe. Part of the duties of a Schengen nation is to make sure that non-Schengen nationals have a "Schengen visa" to enter the block. So in practice did Switzerland give up a bit of its sovereign rights in order to join Schengen - the country now needs to align the visa requirements with the other Schengen members and cannot easily do its own thing anymore.


Realistly speaking will the Brits get the easiest non-EU visas, work permits and everything else possible... but it will be still a lot more paperwork than it is for other EU nationals. As a German do I have the legal right to move to any other EU or Schengen country if I wish to do so. That includes Switzerland. They cannot easily not allow me to move there. A Brit will have to apply for a residence and work permit and the Swiss have all rights to put quotas in place or whatever they wish.



Long story short: the number of Brits who are trying to get an EU passport in the countries they are living in is at a record high right now.
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Well, simply put: Thanks to the Schengen agreement can Swiss and EU citizens travel freely around Europe. Part of the duties of a Schengen nation is to make sure that non-Schengen nationals have a "Schengen visa" to enter the block. So in practice did Switzerland give up a bit of its sovereign rights in order to join Schengen - the country now needs to align the visa requirements with the other Schengen members and cannot easily do its own thing anymore.


Realistly speaking will the Brits get the easiest non-EU visas, work permits and everything else possible... but it will be still a lot more paperwork than it is for other EU nationals. As a German do I have the legal right to move to any other EU or Schengen country if I wish to do so. That includes Switzerland. They cannot easily not allow me to move there. A Brit will have to apply for a residence and work permit and the Swiss have all rights to put quotas in place or whatever they wish.



Long story short: the number of Brits who are trying to get an EU passport in the countries they are living in is at a record high right now.
The Schengen Agreement and the free movement of people are not the same thing. The U.K. was not a part of the Schengen Agreement.

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...-schengen.html

https://www.eda.admin.ch/dea/en/home...uegigkeit.html

The first relates to borders and the second to residency and employment rights.
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The Schengen Agreement and the free movement of people are not the same thing. The U.K. was not a part of the Schengen Agreement.

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...-schengen.html

https://www.eda.admin.ch/dea/en/home...uegigkeit.html

The first relates to borders and the second to residency and employment rights.

I know. The question was "Do Brits have the same rights as EU citizens" and the correct answer is: the question is badly worded.



The question should be "Do Brits have the same rights as most EU citizens who happen to come from a Schengen country". And the answer is "no". I am pretty sure thats the information the OP wanted to know. He most likely wants to compare his legal status to a French or German citizen, not necessarily to the newest EU member states in the Balkan.


But yes, we can go on and discuss the details of EU treaties... its Christmas after all.
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I am not aware that the treaty with the EU forbids Switzerland to treat other, non-Eu citizens, the same as as EU citizens. Also, AFIAK, the treaty with the EU does not give priority to EU/EEA citizens, but mandates that EU/EEA citizens must be treated the same as Swiss citizens.
There is a price to pay for the agreements with the EU we get preferential access because we give preferential access and that also extends to areas like prioritizing EU manufacturers over third countries in public contractor etc.

I expect the big pressure will come from other third countries demanding the same access, Norway have already stated that the EEA treaty must be renegotiated if the UK gets a better deal. And I would expect our other major trading partners like the US and so on, will not accept their citizens be pushed further down the queue behind the UK either.

The reality is that we cannot afford to upset our major trading partners, so in the end I expect we’ll be following the outcome of the EU/UK deals.
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Hi all,

Do you know if Brits will have the same rights as EU citizens in Switzerland after Brexit?
That interests you why?
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What can I say! That is the Swiss for you. There are only too many stories on here which reflect this type of behavior. I would not go back to Switzerland if you paid my weight in gold. I had several bad experiences and I don't endorse Switzerland as a good country to work in, and I do not find the people to be professional either. AND THAT GOES FOR THE BIG FIRMS TOO!
I thought that was a promise. Don't disappoint.
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That interests you why?

I thought that was a promise. Don't disappoint.
Because I am an educated person that likes to learn curly swirly ;-)
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I certainly hope not. Brits chose to leave, well, don't let the door hit you on the way out.
The Brits chose to leave EU.
Switzerland is not in the EU and therefore will make it's own decisions.

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Because I am an educated person that likes to learn curly swirly ;-)
That's a good reason, I can accept that.

Learning from crystal balls is not the best way though and that's all there is just now apart from the admin.ch pages that have been linked numerous times on these type of questions.
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The Brits chose to leave EU.
Switzerland is not in the EU and therefore will make it's own decisions.
So naive that it's entertaining.
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Re: Do Brits have the same rights as EU citizens in Switzerland after Brexit?

Let's check some facts, eh?

Switzerland and UK already agreed all of this

UK.gov https://www.gov.uk/government/news/u...ghts-agreement

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This agreement will provide continuity to Swiss citizens already resident in the UK, and UK nationals already resident in Switzerland, when the UK is no longer subject to the EU-Swiss Free Movement of Persons Agreement. This agreement will apply whether or not there is a deal with the EU
And on the Swiss side https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...019-03-22.html

..and Schengen (my italics)
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Exemption from visa requirement
The EU is expected to exempt UK nationals from the requirement to obtain a visa to enter the Schengen area after the UK leaves the EU. These future developments regarding Schengen mean that amendments have to be made to the Ordinance on Entry and the Granting of Visas (VGO), which will enter into force from the day on which the AFMP no longer applies to the UK
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Switzerland is not in the EU and therefore will make it's own decisions.
It will, it will make decisions that are in its best interest and that includes not starting a trade war with a major trading block such as the EU or the USA in order to give the UK some kind of special deal beyond what it gives to other third countries.

In the end we will go along with what is agreed with the EU, with perhaps a couple of face saving exceptions if necessary.
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So naive that it's entertaining.
Good, you're exactly where you meant to be.

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It will, it will make decisions that are in its best interest and that includes not starting a trade war with a major trading block such as the EU or the USA in order to give the UK some kind of special deal beyond what it gives to other third countries.

In the end we will go along with what is agreed with the EU, with perhaps a couple of face saving exceptions if necessary.
No face saving exceptions. (What are we, Chinese? LOL). If the agreement with the EU is good for Switzerland we'll go along. If for the Swiss benefit exceptions are necessary they will be implemented.

Switzerland sorted the to be expected mess between EU and GB for itself for the moment. Mainly because we don't need the distraction of Britain's should we ... should we not. This way we can now just watch the spectacle.

"Sehe und staune" is our theme now.
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The Brits chose to leave EU.
Switzerland is not in the EU and therefore will make it's own decisions.
With the EU, UK is leaving all the deals the EU negotiatied with third parties, including Switzerland.

Considering all the pressure part of the politics is putting on immigration and the EU-granted rights, I would find it inconsistent if CH started to grant the same rights to non-EU countries like the new UK. Although it may very well be, theoretically.

On the other side I also find highly inconsistent that UK leaves the EU and apparently everybody on both sides is working hard trying to keep the same rights (and obligations!) that came with the EU itself... but that's probably just me
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Hi all,

Do you know if Brits will have the same rights as EU citizens in Switzerland after Brexit?
No. Why should they?
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Hi all,

Do you know if Brits will have the same rights as EU citizens in Switzerland after Brexit?
I certainly hope not. Brits chose to leave, well, don't let the door hit you on the way out.
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Hi all,

Do you know if Brits will have the same rights as EU citizens in Switzerland after Brexit?
Rumours have it they will be rounded up and shipped back to UK
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