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Re: Employment with no degree & no german speaking skills.

Just want to say I'm looking in to everything and every source everyone is providing me with! I'm really thankful for the effort you guys are putting in to guiding me the right way.

One thing that is still really hard to understand is the ''to be able to work you need to have a residence and to have a job you need to have a residence''
Do I look for work prior to coming over then & get a permit a long with that? Or do I apply for B permit and have someone prove that they can provide for me?

This provision thing, does anyone know how much the person in question needs to have? A stable job, for how long, etc. I read in some other article that the person that was gonna provide for his partner needed to have 30,000 chf in his bank account! Insane!
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Re: Employment with no degree & no german speaking skills.

https://www.studera.nu/startpage/stu...rseas-studies/

Here is a link that could help. It seems possible to get your studies financed via Sweden. Another option would be to look in Germany or France for study or work. Freiburg is a really nice place, for example.

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Re: Employment with no degree & no german speaking skills.

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Just want to say I'm looking in to everything and every source everyone is providing me with! I'm really thankful for the effort you guys are putting in to guiding me the right way.

One thing that is still really hard to understand is the ''to be able to work you need to have a residence and to have a job you need to have a residence''
Do I look for work prior to coming over then & get a permit a long with that? Or do I apply for B permit and have someone prove that they can provide for me?

This provision thing, does anyone know how much the person in question needs to have? A stable job, for how long, etc. I read in some other article that the person that was gonna provide for his partner needed to have 30,000 chf in his bank account! Insane!

The "stable job" means an income of 3000 CHF per month for a couple. 30,000 CHF in the bank sounds a bit too much since students from outside the EU without income are required to have 21K on the bank per year. But better ask to cantonal authorities since there are differences depending on the canton.
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Re: Employment with no degree & no german speaking skills.

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One thing that is still really hard to understand is the ''to be able to work you need to have a residence and to have a job you need to have a residence''
Do I look for work prior to coming over then & get a permit a long with that? Or do I apply for B permit and have someone prove that they can provide for me?
A visa is what lets someone cross the border into the country.
A permit is what lets someone live in the country.

The answers to all questions about visas and permits are always determined by EU or non-EU.

Since you are EU, you can come here for 90 days, as a tourist, without a visa. Some non-EU citizens need a visa to enter Switzerland. Those people need to apply for that visa before they get here. This does not apply to you, because you are EU, so you do not need a visa.

While you are a tourist, you can build as many connections as you can, to look for work. You can't get a permit to live in Switzerland if you're a tourist.

However, if you do find work, and if you can show your budget and that your wages/salary will be enough to cover your expenses, you will be given a permit to live and work in Switzerland. This is true because you are an EU citizen.

You cannot apply for a permit to live in Switzerland unless you already have a job contract or are independently wealthy. (Since, as you say, St Gallen doesn't have any concubine permits).

Qualified people can negotiate a job contract before they get here. When such an EU person arrives, they take the contract to the municipality, register that they're now here, and are then automatically issued with the permit, which will be an L or a B.

As someone without qualifications, you are very, very unlikely to be able to succeed in getting a job before you arrive here. Exceptions: au pair, and if someone in your boyfriend's network arranges for you to be hired. But once you do have work, you will get a permit, just like any other EU person who did have a contract before they got here.

However, once you are here, and keep asking, asking, asking... you might just be lucky.
For someone else's situation (coming from the UK), see https://www.englishforum.ch/permits-...erland-uk.html

Central questions are whether you can afford your upkeep while you are a tourist here, walking up and down looking for work. It seems to me that your boyfriend can. And you need to set aside the money it will take to leave Switzerland again, if you need to be out before you've found work.
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Old 06.01.2020, 13:58
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The "stable job" means an income of 3000 CHF per month for a couple.
3k/month for a couple is below the poverty level.

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Re: Employment with no degree & no german speaking skills.

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I generally don't care about subjective romanticized anecdotes from years gone by when giving an opinion, only what I consider as realistic perspectives in our modern society.
I actually agree with your first post but you said it yourself - the new generations are even braver than the rest of us. I wouldn't have left my country when I was 18, but OP seems to know what she really wants.
However, I would advise her not to count on any relationship, otherwise she might find herself in big trouble years after. EF has seen quite a few cases.

@OP,

Continue your studies, focus on a career/trade/business, self-development (I know what you'll think "blah blah blah"), earn your own money.
I really wish you good luck with everything, and by no means do I want you to be less trustful in your partner or relation, just you know, exercise a bit of self-centredness, it didn't hurt anyone.
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Re: Employment with no degree & no german speaking skills.

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One thing that is still really hard to understand is the ''to be able to work you need to have a residence and to have a job you need to have a residence''
Do I look for work prior to coming over then & get a permit a long with that? Or do I apply for B permit and have someone prove that they can provide for me?
Theoretically both are valid, but they have requirements.

The first one worked for me, but I already had strong connections with the company that later hired me. When a swiss company hires a non-swiss person who does not already have a permit, they have to do some paperwork stating that they need exactly that person, and provide some motivation. While this is relatively easy* to be done by the company and to be accepted by the institutions, you need some kind of connection with a company before they do that for you. For non-qualified jobs they have no reason why they shouldn't just pick up a joung Swiss student and save the procedure. If your boyfriend knows a guy who is willing to blindly hire you in his business, there you go.

The second one (having a local "provider") worked for a few friends, but they had a boy/girlfriend with a stable and not-so-low income (Tom is right, 3000 CHF/month for a couple is very little).

* but not automatic, AFAIK
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However, I would advise her not to count on any relationship, otherwise she might find herself in big trouble years after.
Agreed. Even if you end up going that way, don't plan like that long-term and work hard to become self-sustained as soon as possible, otherwise ANY problem that your boyfriend might encounter could potentially affect your right to stay here. I'm not necessarily talking about a breakup, can be anything. Shit happens and in Switzerland is highly recommended "not to fly without a parachute".
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Re: Employment with no degree & no german speaking skills.

Youd probably get a job in the main tourist areas more easily. Not St Gallen, but youd be in the same country and able to see each other on days off. Try looking now in Interlaken for summer jobs.... St Moritz would probably snap up Russian speakers for the winter.

..... are you a good skier? Russian speaking ski instructors are needed in winter, if you could get a basic level instructing qualification (Swedish or British (BASI)).
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Youd probably get a job in the main tourist areas more easily. Not St Gallen, but youd be in the same country and able to see each other on days off. Try looking now in Interlaken for summer jobs.... St Moritz would probably snap up Russian speakers for the winter.

..... are you a good skier? Russian speaking ski instructors are needed in winter, if you could get a basic level instructing qualification (Swedish or British (BASI)).
I might actually do this. I'm half russian with a dual citizenship (russian/sweden). That might help out. Thank you!
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Re: Employment with no degree & no german speaking skills.

Ok, im not going to comment on how possible is for the OP to move to Switzerland. What im curious about, is how old the boyfriend is. Since he will also be a student soon, im guessing mid twenties absolute maximum. Apparently he already owns an appartment but he doesnt have 30k in his bank account. In Geneva that would be impossible, unless he inherited something from the parents. Is St Gallen that different, and if yes, can i move there? Im looking into buying something in Geneva and the prices are mad...

OP i wish you the best of luck and i hope it really works out for you
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I own an apartment and dont have 30K in my bank account.... in fact its pretty much empty right now (off to buy lottery ticket)
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Ok, im not going to comment on how possible is for the OP to move to Switzerland. What im curious about, is how old the boyfriend is. Since he will also be a student soon, im guessing mid twenties absolute maximum. Apparently he already owns an appartment but he doesnt have 30k in his bank account. In Geneva that would be impossible, unless he inherited something from the parents. Is St Gallen that different, and if yes, can i move there? Im looking into buying something in Geneva and the prices are mad...

OP i wish you the best of luck and i hope it really works out for you
21 years, St. Gallen. Yep.
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I own an apartment and dont have 30K in my bank account.... in fact its pretty much empty right now (off to buy lottery ticket)
Good luck!! let me have 20% to give me a headstart if you win
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You little troll.....
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I'm half russian!
Prostitution is always a legitimate job choice here.

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Re: Employment with no degree & no german speaking skills.

Just curious, how long have you and your boyfriend been together? I have my own story about coming here for a man. I'd be glad to share it with in a pm. I'm old enough to be your mother but won't try to "mother" you, but I have a lot of life experience & know the challenges you'll potentially face trying to build a life here. If it's difficult you'll run the risk of resenting your bf, feeling stuck, etc...
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Prostitution is always a legitimate job choice here.

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Prostitution is always a legitimate job choice here.

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What in the hell is wrong with you !!!!!!!

You are speaking to an innocent young 18 year old girl.
How dare you !
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You are speaking to an innocent young 18 year old girl.
Or a troll.

In any case, it's legal at 18.

So, in short it's that, or stay in Sweden and get an education (something Greta should try).

Don't like my suggestion? Tough, but that IS the reality given her claimed non-qualifications.

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