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What in the hell is wrong with you !!!!!!!

You are speaking to an innocent young 18 year old girl.
How dare you !



Innocent......next you'll be telling me Donald's an angel
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Or a troll.

In any case, it's legal at 18.

So, in short it's that, or stay in Sweden and get an education (something Greta should try).

Don't like my suggestion? Tough, but that IS the reality given her claimed non-qualifications.

Tom
Ok boomer. I appreciate the honesty but I don't think going in to prostitution would ever be something I'd do and think most of the time it's an absolute-last-resort for some people- though there are some that enjoy it which is ok!

I'll try my best in Switzerland with no qualifications and try to learn the language and see how that goes.

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Re: Employment with no degree & no german speaking skills.

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Innocent......next you'll be telling me Donald's an angel
That would be difficult considering I'm a Democrat, ....and my swing-state Ohio vote counts.

Love the young woman's answer.
No need to hear vile crap, just because you've got a dream and you've got the guts at 18 to inquire, consider it and think it through.
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How dare you !
Is your real name Greta Tunafish?

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When a swiss company hires a non-swiss person who does not already have a permit, they have to do some paperwork stating that they need exactly that person, and provide some motivation. While this is relatively easy* to be done by the company and to be accepted by the institutions, you need some kind of connection with a company before they do that for you.

* but not automatic, AFAIK
Are you sure, venetian?

As far as I understood it, this requirement that the employer demonstrate that they need exactly that person applies only to prospective employees who are non-EU.

EU citizens, on the other hand, can be given any job that is available without the employer having to make any such justification. Once the EU person has the contract, they register at the municipality and that's that, they get their permit.

Could someone else please comment on this? Am I out-of-date, or have I misundersood something fundamental, in this? Thanks.
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Are you sure, venetian?

As far as I understood it, this requirement that the employer demonstrate that they need exactly that person applies only to prospective employees who are non-EU.

EU citizens, on the other hand, can be given any job that is available without the employer having to make any such justification. Once the EU person has the contract, they register at the municipality and that's that, they get their permit.

Could someone else please comment on this? Am I out-of-date, or have I misundersood something fundamental, in this? Thanks.
You are correct. Itís still the same!
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Prostitution is always a legitimate job choice here.

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The best thing about this post is that you are very likely not even trolling.
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Re: Employment with no degree & no german speaking skills.

"english nursery home ". Exactly what do you mean? For children,or elderly or plants?
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Are you sure, venetian?

As far as I understood it, this requirement that the employer demonstrate that they need exactly that person applies only to prospective employees who are non-EU.

EU citizens, on the other hand, can be given any job that is available without the employer having to make any such justification. Once the EU person has the contract, they register at the municipality and that's that, they get their permit.

Could someone else please comment on this? Am I out-of-date, or have I misundersood something fundamental, in this? Thanks.
You are right, for Swedish citizens it's valid (meaning EU-15, which included Sweden, not for all EU citizens though, or at least this was the case a few years ago and still is for Croatia at least)
But his is what she needs to know. Good that you noticed.
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"english nursery home ". Exactly what do you mean? For children,or elderly or plants?
Haha

I mean english nursery homes, for kids. I've looked around and some of them do internships, would that be a possibility? Though I have no clue how much they pay? From what I've heard; 800-1000chf per month. Would it give me some kind of permit to stay?

800-1000 per month along with my boyfriends 2250 (reduced 50% because of studies) would amount to 3050-3250chf per month which is still very low, especially with rent being 1600 chf atm.
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Haha

I mean english nursery homes, for kids. I've looked around and some of them do internships, would that be a possibility? Though I have no clue how much they pay? From what I've heard; 800-1000chf per month. Would it give me some kind of permit to stay?

800-1000 per month along with my boyfriends 2250 (reduced 50% because of studies) would amount to 3050-3250chf per month which is still very low, especially with rent being 1600 chf atm.
Yes, an internship can give you the permit to stay. Maybe even faster that for other types of jobs.
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Haha

I mean english nursery homes, for kids. I've looked around and some of them do internships, would that be a possibility? Though I have no clue how much they pay? From what I've heard; 800-1000chf per month. Would it give me some kind of permit to stay?

800-1000 per month along with my boyfriends 2250 (reduced 50% because of studies) would amount to 3050-3250chf per month which is still very low, especially with rent being 1600 chf atm.
A nursery home for kids? I think you mean nursery school or day care, in which case I think you usually need to either be in possession of or studying for relevant qualifications and also usually speak the local language. Either way, it will be extremely competitive and unlikely that you would have much chance there unless you are lucky/fortunate.

Your best bet is as a nanny/au pair, living with the host family so you wouldn't need to pay rent. There are no minimum qualifications/language requirements required for that *unless specified in the ad) and as I wrote earlier, from what I hear from nannies/au pairs it can be very low paid with unpredictable hours.
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Re: Employment with no degree & no german speaking skills.

Yes, to get a "real" job in a nursery school or day-care, one does need a qualification. And then one earns a proper salary. However, many such places also take in unqualified young people as trainees, what greenmount called an internship, and such jobs are advertised as "Praktikum" and those are the ones which pay in the range of Fr. 800 - Fr. 1'000.

Whether or not it would be possible to find one of those without German knowledge, I don't know. Some "Kinderkrippe" are bilingual, though, German and English.
https://krippenstellen.ch/

For all sorts of jobs of the kind "caring for others", there's this:
https://www.liliput.ch/stellenmarkt

OP, whatever you hope to do while you are here, it will all be better if you can acquire a basic knowledge of German.
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A nursery home for kids? I think you mean nursery school or day care, in which case I think you usually need to either be in possession of or studying for relevant qualifications and also usually speak the local language. Either way, it will be extremely competitive and unlikely that you would have much chance there unless you are lucky/fortunate.

Your best bet is as a nanny/au pair, living with the host family so you wouldn't need to pay rent. There are no minimum qualifications/language requirements required for that *unless specified in the ad) and as I wrote earlier, from what I hear from nannies/au pairs it can be very low paid with unpredictable hours.
Oh jesus just noticed my mistake, sleep deprived. Yes, english nursery school!

I've been looking in to the au-pair thing, it would actually be very possible to do if I find a family. Underpaid is something I'm going to need to deal with since it's the only thing available. Beggars can't be choosers, is that a saying?
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Yes, to get a "real" job in a nursery school or day-care, one does need a qualification. And then one earns a proper salary. However, many such places also take in unqualified young people as trainees, what greenmount called an internship, and such jobs are advertised as "Praktikum" and those are the ones which pay in the range of Fr. 800 - Fr. 1'000.

Whether or not it would be possible to find one of those without German knowledge, I don't know. Some "Kinderkrippe" are bilingual, though, German and English.
https://krippenstellen.ch/

For all sorts of jobs of the kind "caring for others", there's this:
https://www.liliput.ch/stellenmarkt

OP, whatever you hope to do while you are here, it will all be better if you can acquire a basic knowledge of German.
I'm aware that acquiring a basic knowledge of the language is neccessary in almost all kind of places but it's a language and language takes time. Not to mention that I already speak almost 4 languages, a fifth one would be an overload. Although I am planning to learn it, so no worries.
I'm going to check out the links.

I found a link for an english day care and they do internships. I may contact them and see if that would be something I could do.

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Re: Employment with no degree & no german speaking skills.

While you're investigating work as an au-pair, or any other options, you might also have a good look at the public transport, which is excellent in the cities in Switzerland, and good to get from one city to another, and then, in between, of course, the trains and buses are less frequent. But still it is an overall good service.

You were concerned that you might not be able to see your partner enough if you had such work. But have a look here, to give you some ideas of the timetables.
https://www.vbsg.ch/home/fahrplaene-netzplan.html (for St Gallen)
https://www.sbb.ch/en/home.html (for all of Switzerland)
https://www.zvv.ch/zvv/en/home.html (for the Canton of Zurich, but it links through to the whole of Switzerland, and is a bit more user-friendly than the sbb website)
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I already speak almost 4 languages..
Excellent! If you are not already doing so, perhaps you could ask some of these questions in the Swiss networks of the people speaking those languages.
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Or a troll.

In any case, it's legal at 18.

So, in short it's that, or stay in Sweden and get an education (something Greta should try).

Don't like my suggestion? Tough, but that IS the reality given her claimed non-qualifications.

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You are the troll, I am honestly disgusted at your comment. Shame on you!

Love your response OP, you have a good head on those young shoulders - you'll do fine.
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Re: Employment with no degree & no german speaking skills.

OP, I'd like you to know that I find you really altogether impressive.

You're putting in a lot of effort, you're doing your own research (on this forum, but clearly not only here), you're reading up on things, and thinking carefully. You're 18, and learning, asking, and replying well to the responses you're getting, and all this while your heart is aching. I think that many young adults could not do as much.

Your heart in in Switzerland, but your head is not in the clouds. Well done for persevering, and for wanting to find a rational, proper way forward.
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