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While you're investigating work as an au-pair, or any other options, you might also have a good look at the public transport, which is excellent in the cities in Switzerland, and good to get from one city to another, and then, in between, of course, the trains and buses are less frequent. But still it is an overall good service.

You were concerned that you might not be able to see your partner enough if you had such work. But have a look here, to give you some ideas of the timetables.
https://www.vbsg.ch/home/fahrplaene-netzplan.html (for St Gallen)
https://www.sbb.ch/en/home.html (for all of Switzerland)
https://www.zvv.ch/zvv/en/home.html (for the Canton of Zurich, but it links through to the whole of Switzerland, and is a bit more user-friendly than the sbb website)
Ohh! I only ever knew of SBB and this is really helpful! I use the SBB app on my phone to check the timetables of how long it'd take to get to one place to another and then use google maps to see how long it would take to walk additionally. I'll save these for future references. REALLY helpful, thank you.

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OP, I'd like you to know that I find you really altogether impressive.

You're putting in a lot of effort, you're doing your own research (on this forum, but clearly not only here), you're reading up on things, and thinking carefully. You're 18, and learning, asking, and replying well to the responses you're getting, and all this while your heart is aching. I think that many young adults could not do as much.

Your heart in in Switzerland, but your head is not in the clouds. Well done for persevering, and for wanting to find a rational, proper way forward.
Thank you, it really means a lot. Initially I got a lot of resistance from people when I made this thread which is understandable as it comes across as some kind of a half assed-decision (so to speak) where my head is only filled with a teenage romance. That's fine but as long as people provide the help (and not their opinions) as initially asked- I'm fine! But your kind words mean a lot to me Doropfiz! thank you.
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You are the troll, I am honestly disgusted at your comment. Shame on you!

Love your response OP, you have a good head on those young shoulders - you'll do fine.
Thank you for the support!
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Excellent! If you are not already doing so, perhaps you could ask some of these questions in the Swiss networks of the people speaking those languages.
Swiss networks as in organizations? I've seen those, someone previously posted some Swedish organizations although those seem to be more sport-based and for people just doing activities together (hiking, dancing etc). When you say networks do you mean actual organizations or...? would love some clarification.
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Are you sure, venetian?

As far as I understood it, this requirement that the employer demonstrate that they need exactly that person applies only to prospective employees who are non-EU.
I understood it exactly like you understand it.

But I've been told from someone in the HR of my former company that they did something like that for me as well. Maybe it was just a 1-page notification and for non-EU citizens is a lenghtier process, I don't know. The HR guy was absolutely positive on this in front of my skepticism.
That was 2016.
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Oh jesus just noticed my mistake, sleep deprived. Yes, english nursery school!

I've been looking in to the au-pair thing, it would actually be very possible to do if I find a family. Underpaid is something I'm going to need to deal with since it's the only thing available. Beggars can't be choosers, is that a saying?
join and ask in these groups:

International Nanny Community in Zürich https://www.facebook.com/groups/1557202821252493/

Nanny's Guide In Zürich https://www.facebook.com/nannysguideinzurich/

Nanny & babysitter in Zürich (helps families find nannies) https://www.facebook.com/groups/1057146301012942/

I know a fair few people who nanny and they are very helpful and post in those groups and support each other, so go in there and tell your story and see what they can do to help guide you.
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You are the troll, I am honestly disgusted at your comment. Shame on you!

Love your response OP, you have a good head on those young shoulders - you'll do fine.
Troll.....nah, he is quite sincere when posting.... Funny. Scary?
But who cares.

OP,

You've got very good advice so far, I wish you the best of luck!! Start learning the language asap. The sooner you're able to speak the local language, the more chances to study and/or work you'll get.
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Re: Employment with no degree & no german speaking skills.

Three places to advertise yourself and I think your best bet will be to find a foreign family that needs help/support with something - kids, house or languages.

https://babysitting24.ch/en

https://homeservice24.ch/en/

https://tutor24.ch/en
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Swiss networks as in organizations? I've seen those, someone previously posted some Swedish organizations although those seem to be more sport-based and for people just doing activities together (hiking, dancing etc). When you say networks do you mean actual organizations or...? would love some clarification.
I meant connect with the people in those organisations and groups. Let's just say you might find a group of a choir in Russian or folk-dancing for Swedish people who already live in Switzerland. Maybe you do, and maybe you don't want to sing in a choir or go dancing, but the point is that these people are already here, and they will be able to share their stories with you, about how they did it, and their general experiences because they've been here for a while. Just as, in fact, people in this forum are doing.

By expanding your enquiries into the Russian and Swedish networks, you might gain advice from some different perspectives. For example, perhaps there are special tips or courses to learn German if you already speak Swedish, that only a Swedish-speaking person would know about. Perhaps there are certain ways to explain your school education, that are "Swissified".

In addition, many, many kinds of employment are found through networking. By which I mean getting to know lots of people. Some of the people you're writing to here might even be considering whether they could employ you, or whether they know someone who knows someone who could. So maybe some of those people in those other language/culture groups might, too, be able to help you find work.

In any event - and now I'm picking up what several others have written about your being dependent on your partner - it'll be good for you if, once you live here, you actually had some social contacts of your own, not just through him. That can really help while settling in.
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Three places to advertise yourself and I think your best bet will be to find a foreign family that needs help/support with something - kids, house or languages.

https://babysitting24.ch/en

https://homeservice24.ch/en/

https://tutor24.ch/en
Yes, these are good. However, they charge a fee, at least to the employer. Ads on https://www.liliput.ch/, however, are free for both sides, which has an advantage for anyone who likes your ad and wants to contact you.
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Hi! I am a 18 year old girl currently studying online for a gymnasium exam in Sweden. I'm in a relationship with my current boyfriend who is Swiss and resides there. I want to move over but for that I need a job!
You are studying to get into a gymnasium exam but you are 18.

So you are two years behind? and your studying online; which means what that you failed to get to gymnasium thru the public system and now you have been sadly hoodwinked into paying some private company into qualifying you. You will fail gymnasium in the first year if the online qualification you gain is worth anything and can actually get you in, don't waist any more of your money or your time on that route.

And you want to come live here with your new boyfriend, you're in love. Assuming he speaks German and Swedish or maybe English.

You will learn German, you will be very frustrated. He will quickly become bored translating everything into English/Swedish for you and his friends will complain that he needs to get a girl friend who speaks German.

Be realistic. Sweden is a great place. They are one of the most progressive countries in the world, stay there. Switzerland is good too, but get real.
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Re: Employment with no degree & no german speaking skills.

As far as I understood, OP is not trying to qualify to get into gymnasium, but is already doing her gymnasium courses, online. We can know nothing of whether she is passing or failing... we just don't know that.

I understand her to have every intention of learning German. I believe she will. But plainly, she can't do everything at once, and so, for the moment, she is doing her research, and as I see it, very well, to try care for her heart and her yearning to be with her partner, but also trying to be as realistic as possible.
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Haha

I mean english nursery homes, for kids. I've looked around and some of them do internships, would that be a possibility? Though I have no clue how much they pay? From what I've heard; 800-1000chf per month. Would it give me some kind of permit to stay?

800-1000 per month along with my boyfriends 2250 (reduced 50% because of studies) would amount to 3050-3250chf per month which is still very low, especially with rent being 1600 chf atm.
Try to get into nursing ( elderly ). Theres a big shortage here.
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You are studying to get into a gymnasium exam but you are 18.

So you are two years behind? and your studying online; which means what that you failed to get to gymnasium thru the public system and now you have been sadly hoodwinked into paying some private company into qualifying you. You will fail gymnasium in the first year if the online qualification you gain is worth anything and can actually get you in, don't waist any more of your money or your time on that route.

And you want to come live here with your new boyfriend, you're in love. Assuming he speaks German and Swedish or maybe English.

You will learn German, you will be very frustrated. He will quickly become bored translating everything into English/Swedish for you and his friends will complain that he needs to get a girl friend who speaks German.

Be realistic. Sweden is a great place. They are one of the most progressive countries in the world, stay there. Switzerland is good too, but get real.
I don't know how you get IN to a gymnasium exam but I am studying FOR one
Rest assured, I'm not 2 years behind neither did I fail to get in to a public school. I attended a public school for a year but had to drop out for very personal reasons, after doing that I decided to study online as it's easier and didn't cause as much trouble for me. I'm not paying any money, education is free in Sweden- clarifying that as you didn't seem to know.
I've already passed my first year, haven't failed anything and it's going great. Neither is my boyfriend new. But I am in love for sure.

And... the getting annoyed of translating part is understandable but I'm planning to learn the language so I'll just keep my head high and try not to get pessimistic comments like yours get in to my head. You seem to have a very negative outlook on life- hope you sort that out.

Sweden is great but as any country it has it's downs. I prefer Switzerland because it just feels like a safe country whereas in Sweden- I feel unsafe. + I think getting a fresh start in Switzerland would be really nice.
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Try to get into nursing ( elderly ). Theres a big shortage here.
I've thought about that but I think elderly people have no intention of speaking english and it would be a viable job as soon as I learn german. Appreciate the help!
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Sweden is great but as any country it has it's downs. I prefer Switzerland because it just feels like a safe country whereas in Sweden- I feel unsafe. + I think getting a fresh start in Switzerland would be really nice.

Just realize that Switzerland also has its downs. Also depending a lot on where you will live.


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I don't know how you get IN to a gymnasium exam but I am studying FOR one
Rest assured, I'm not 2 years behind neither did I fail to get in to a public school. I attended a public school for a year but had to drop out for very personal reasons, after doing that I decided to study online as it's easier and didn't cause as much trouble for me. I'm not paying any money, education is free in Sweden- clarifying that as you didn't seem to know.
I've already passed my first year, haven't failed anything and it's going great. Neither is my boyfriend new. But I am in love for sure.
So you plan to give up studying for your boyfriend. No, not a good idea. Nobody even in the most optimistic forums will agree with that plan. You plan to continue studying online... but in the Swedish system? Can you do that? Do they allow anybody from anywhere in the world to log into the "publicly funded national online system".. did you check? Have you tried? The BBC is a publicly funded website, it has an online version you can access... if you're in the UK. Sure you maybe able to use a VPN, but wait isn't that called cheating. Cheating on a public system isn't looked upon too well in most places.

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And... the getting annoyed of translating part is understandable but I'm planning to learn the language so I'll just keep my head high and try not to get pessimistic comments like yours get in to my head. You seem to have a very negative outlook on life- hope you sort that out.
I do have a negative outlook. Sorry it comes with experience and age. I am not 18 I am 55.

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Sweden is great but as any country it has it's downs. I prefer Switzerland because it just feels like a safe country whereas in Sweden- I feel unsafe. + I think getting a fresh start in Switzerland would be really nice.
Look thru the International press. They rate the Nordic countries as among the best places to live in all of Europe. Sure they are cold, sure they have long winters, but they have some of the most progressive policies towards things that will matter more to you when you get older. Little things like pregnancy leave or maybe Universal income.

Finish your studies, stay with the boyfriend. Go visit on vacations, if you have a strong enough relationship you get thru, if not, then you won't find yourself stranded.
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So you plan to give up studying for your boyfriend. No, not a good idea. Nobody even in the most optimistic forums will agree with that plan. You plan to continue studying online... but in the Swedish system? Can you do that? Do they allow anybody from anywhere in the world to log into the "publicly funded national online system".. did you check? Have you tried? The BBC is a publicly funded website, it has an online version you can access... if you're in the UK. Sure you maybe able to use a VPN, but wait isn't that called cheating. Cheating on a public system isn't looked upon too well in most places.



I do have a negative outlook. Sorry it comes with experience and age. I am not 18 I am 55.



Look thru the International press. They rate the Nordic countries as among the best places to live in all of Europe. Sure they are cold, sure they have long winters, but they have some of the most progressive policies towards things that will matter more to you when you get older. Little things like pregnancy leave or maybe Universal income.

Finish your studies, stay with the boyfriend. Go visit on vacations, if you have a strong enough relationship you get thru, if not, then you won't find yourself stranded.
Try and read what she says before going off on one...

"I attended a public school for a year but had to drop out for very personal reasons, after doing that I decided to study online as it's easier and didn't cause as much trouble for me."

She is already studying online, chill.

Perhaps give her a bit of credit instead of incessant negativity? What makes a place nice to live for 55 year old professional ex-pats might not be what appeals to 18 year olds.

Worst case scenario, you outline above, she moves back to Sweden and its lovely safety net if things don't work out here for whatever reason.
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So you plan to give up studying for your boyfriend. No, not a good idea. Nobody even in the most optimistic forums will agree with that plan. You plan to continue studying online... but in the Swedish system? Can you do that? Do they allow anybody from anywhere in the world to log into the "publicly funded national online system".. did you check? Have you tried? The BBC is a publicly funded website, it has an online version you can access... if you're in the UK. Sure you maybe able to use a VPN, but wait isn't that called cheating. Cheating on a public system isn't looked upon too well in most places.



I do have a negative outlook. Sorry it comes with experience and age. I am not 18 I am 55.



Look thru the International press. They rate the Nordic countries as among the best places to live in all of Europe. Sure they are cold, sure they have long winters, but they have some of the most progressive policies towards things that will matter more to you when you get older. Little things like pregnancy leave or maybe Universal income.

Finish your studies, stay with the boyfriend. Go visit on vacations, if you have a strong enough relationship you get thru, if not, then you won't find yourself stranded.
I dont think you understand. I am studying online- and because it's online I'm able to study from anywhere in the world. I just need a laptop, phone or whatever and an internet connection then I'm good to go. The websites, books and everything else is provided from my online school that is directly linked to my identity (swedish citizen and all of that stuff). So no, not anyone can just study from anywhere in this school. You have to send an application, be swedish or more specifically be ''folkbokförd'' then get accepted and get provided with different materials, passwords and etc. It's a bit complicated but that's how it works. It's not cheating at all.

And nordic places- maybe. Finland & Norway are maybe very pleasant countries but i feel like Sweden is getting less safe and secure because of the amount of asylum seekers and immigrants we are getting (as well as the rising crime rates and no go zones). I dont have anything against immigrants as I'm technically planning on migrating to Switzerland but I specifically mean people coming here and living off of welfare and not integrating in to society (creating suburbs with high crime rates). Therefore we have a lot of no-go-zones that people don't go to because they're criminal and you're most likely gonna get robbed, stabbed or raped in those places. I live in the suburbs. Sweden is not all that pretty. I don't feel safe here.

But thank you for your concern, I appreciate your thoughts on the matter- although I think I'm going to do my best migrating to Switzerland and see how that goes. If all goes to hell I can always come back to Sweden as I have family here.

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I dont think you understand. I am studying online- and because it's online I'm able to study from anywhere in the world. I just need a laptop, phone or whatever and an internet connection then I'm good to go. The websites, books and everything else is provided from my online school that is directly linked to my identity (swedish citizen and all of that stuff). So no, not anyone can just study from anywhere in this school. You have to send an application, be swedish or more specifically be ''folkbokförd'' then get accepted and get provided with different materials, passwords and etc. It's a bit complicated but that's how it works. It's not cheating at all.
But listen, it is a service paid for out of public funds. And sometimes they put national restrictions on such things. If you move to Switzerland you may find you cannot access it. Tell them you want to come to Switzerland to learn German, have found a job as an aupair and want to continue your studies. CHECK.

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And nordic places- maybe. Finland & Norway are maybe very pleasant countries but i feel like Sweden is getting less safe and secure because of the amount of asylum seekers and immigrants we are getting (as well as the rising crime rates and no go zones).
There are some places in Switzerland that I would not choose to hang out in after dark, especially in the bigger cities like Zurich and Geneva. Its true that there is less toleration for immigrants, but wait no you'll be an immigrant here. You don't say where the boyfriend lives, I assuming you have visited, more than once. Is it really that different?

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But thank you for your concern, I appreciate your thoughts on the matter- although I think I'm going to do my best migrating to Switzerland and see how that goes. If all goes to hell I can always come back to Sweden as I have family here.
I have 16 yo daughter and I would be upset to say the least if she came home in two years time and said she wanted to move to Sweden to join her boyfriend. I think you should stay with your family, you said you have a family. Sure you love this guy and maybe he loves you, but this is a test for your relationship you need to take. I am also in a mixed relationship, as in the wife is foreign, not Swedish but like the boyfriend from a different country, a different culture. Relationship across cultures are more challenging in different ways than I can put into words. This will be a good test to make sure he is the right guy to make a move like this. Stay in Sweden, finish your studies, how many more years you got to finish folkbokförd, no more than two surely. Wait until you finish your teens. Go visit the boyfriend in vacations, stay for month in the summer maybe.... make sure your not jumping from the fire to the frying pan.
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Re: Employment with no degree & no german speaking skills.

I would recommend -- which seems to be the conclusion you've come to -- to go the au pair route.

It is not a full time job, which will leave you time to see your BF, plus the family are required to pay for you to have local language lessons, so it would get you started on that. You may even be able to organise a schedule w/ weekends off (that's what I did).

Another option could be to come as a student -- not for higher ed, but solely for intensive language study. Of course the studies would cost, but at least you would be living rent free.

Ignore all the naysayers. Some people seem to take pleasure in pissing on other people's dreams.
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Re: Employment with no degree & no german speaking skills.

OP, you know I've been trying to help you here, and contribute, as far as possible, helpful information. And I also find some of what (or how) Markalex posted rather negative.

Of course, I don't know what "folkbokförd" includes or excludes... I looked only here
https://www.proz.com/kudoz/swedish-t...i-sverige.html
and that made me think that Markalex does make a very good point in saying that you should check whether you can continue your online gymnasium course if you are no longer living in (reside in, have your legal domicile in, are formally registered in) Sweden. I think that Markalex is right that that query is well worth making, because your gymnasium might be restricted to people who are formally registered and actually, currently residing in Sweden.

If there is no such restriction, that's great! But if there is, then leaving Sweden would mean you'd be out of that gymnasium, or perhaps be allowed to complete the modules you're doing now but not to re-register for any new ones. That would be a real pity.

If that turns out to be the rule, then I might be inclined to think it'd be best if you stay registered in Sweden (and really maintain your home there) and only visit Switzerland as a tourist, for the maximum time allowed, and leave again for the minimum time required, and return again, always as a tourist.

In many countries, the benefits to citizens are being slowly eroded. The eligibility criteria are becoming narrower and narrower. At the moment, the rules in Sweden are such that you can study that course for free. If you de-register, however, either voluntarily or because you are terminated because you no longer live in Sweden, it might be that even if you later return to live in Sweden, you may no longer be eligible, anew, for this free schooling. By then, they might have changed the rules. By then you might be considered too old, or might be not have fulfilled some [new] requirement to have lived in Sweden for, say, at least the past 2 years, to be allowed into that fee school.

I hear you clearly that you do intend to continue and to complete your gymnasium schooling. And that's very good. For that very reason, please do take Markalex's query seriously. Please find out, for sure for sure for sure, and get the reply in writing, that if you leave Sweden and register your domicile in another country, your eligibility for the schooling will definitely continue.
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