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OP, you know I've been trying to help you here, and contribute, as far as possible, helpful information. And I also find some of what (or how) Markalex posted rather negative.

Of course, I don't know what "folkbokförd" includes or excludes... I looked only here
https://www.proz.com/kudoz/swedish-t...i-sverige.html
and that made me think that Markalex does make a very good point in saying that you should check whether you can continue your online gymnasium course if you are no longer living in (reside in, have your legal domicile in, are formally registered in) Sweden. I think that Markalex is right that that query is well worth making, because your gymnasium might be restricted to people who are formally registered and actually, currently residing in Sweden.

If there is no such restriction, that's great! But if there is, then leaving Sweden would mean you'd be out of that gymnasium, or perhaps be allowed to complete the modules you're doing now but not to re-register for any new ones. That would be a real pity.

If that turns out to be the rule, then I might be inclined to think it'd be best if you stay registered in Sweden (and really maintain your home there) and only visit Switzerland as a tourist, for the maximum time allowed, and leave again for the minimum time required, and return again, always as a tourist.

In many countries, the benefits to citizens are being slowly eroded. The eligibility criteria are becoming narrower and narrower. At the moment, the rules in Sweden are such that you can study that course for free. If you de-register, however, either voluntarily or because you are terminated because you no longer live in Sweden, it might be that even if you later return to live in Sweden, you may no longer be eligible, anew, for this free schooling. By then, they might have changed the rules. By then you might be considered too old, or might be not have fulfilled some [new] requirement to have lived in Sweden for, say, at least the past 2 years, to be allowed into that fee school.

I hear you clearly that you do intend to continue and to complete your gymnasium schooling. And that's very good. For that very reason, please do take Markalex's query seriously. Please find out, for sure for sure for sure, and get the reply in writing, that if you leave Sweden and register your domicile in another country, your eligibility for the schooling will definitely continue.
I was worried about this as well and contacted my school about it, it's a long distance school for a reason. I talked to my mentor and they have people studying there while residing in other countries. Though- this has gotten my intention now so I'm going to call Skatteverket tomorrow that is responsible for the registry and ask how it would possibly work. My school said it was possible and they have several people doing it- so I'm going to double check and report back on how it works. Worst case I'll have to do 3 months in Switzerland and 3 months in Sweden for a year since my studies end in summer 2021.

I'll report back when I've talked to the registry tomorrow.
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But listen, it is a service paid for out of public funds. And sometimes they put national restrictions on such things. If you move to Switzerland you may find you cannot access it. Tell them you want to come to Switzerland to learn German, have found a job as an aupair and want to continue your studies. CHECK.
I'm looking in to this option as well.

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There are some places in Switzerland that I would not choose to hang out in after dark, especially in the bigger cities like Zurich and Geneva. Its true that there is less toleration for immigrants, but wait no you'll be an immigrant here. You don't say where the boyfriend lives, I assuming you have visited, more than once. Is it really that different?
My boyfriend lives in St. Gallen. I've walked outsite at nights, gone out alone, been careless and have never felt threathened. I don't know about the bigger cities like Zurich and Geneve at night but I think there's a bit of those ''gang'' people everywhere if you're referring to them. In Sweden it's very unsafe or atleast I find going out at night or in the evening is extremly nervewrecking and risky- maybe not in the super fancy areas but I think that goes everywhere. Point being is I do not feel safe here and I may be biased because I've been part of some nasty stuff hence the bad memories and wanting to get away in the first place.

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I have 16 yo daughter and I would be upset to say the least if she came home in two years time and said she wanted to move to Sweden to join her boyfriend. I think you should stay with your family, you said you have a family. Sure you love this guy and maybe he loves you, but this is a test for your relationship you need to take. I am also in a mixed relationship, as in the wife is foreign, not Swedish but like the boyfriend from a different country, a different culture. Relationship across cultures are more challenging in different ways than I can put into words. This will be a good test to make sure he is the right guy to make a move like this. Stay in Sweden, finish your studies, how many more years you got to finish folkbokförd, no more than two surely. Wait until you finish your teens. Go visit the boyfriend in vacations, stay for month in the summer maybe.... make sure your not jumping from the fire to the frying pan.
I think any father would be very upset to know that their daughter wants or plans to leave. It's probably heartbreaking to have your children grow up and leave but it's something that will happen eventually. Only natural. I understand with not making hasty decisions but my head is partially clear, I'm thinking all of this over and looking at all of the different options presented to me. I still care about myself, my education and what's best for me but I want to combine my love for this man as well as a future that will benefit me. Going to Switzerland as an au-pair, studying german as well as studying and finishing up gymnasium would be the best possible option right now as I'd get experience, see the country, learn the local language and get a degree of some sort even if it's nothing compared to a BA/MA. Thanks for expressing your concern. I appreciate it markalex.
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My boyfriend lives in St. Gallen. I've walked outsite at nights, gone out alone, been careless and have never felt threathened. I don't know about the bigger cities like Zurich and Geneve at night
I'm quite a big man, but I feel safe in Zurich for the others as well. One day we had a party and I missed the last connections, so I walked across the city to get back home. At around 2 am I saw a couple of girls chatting on a bench in the park close to Burkliplatz, in front of the see. I was actually worried I could scare them because my route was going in their direction they actually didn't care at all.
Kids take public transport all by themselves since they are 6 or 7, even after the sunset.
So far I think the most dangerous situations in the city are when football hooligans fight outside the stadium (that's really urban guerrilla).

I'm sure it's not perfect but 10 times better than Italy, and from what I heard even Italy is better than Malmo...
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I'm quite a big man, but I feel safe in Zurich for the others as well. One day we had a party and I missed the last connections, so I walked across the city to get back home. At around 2 am I saw a couple of girls chatting on a bench in the park close to Burkliplatz, in front of the see. I was actually worried I could scare them because my route was going in their direction they actually didn't care at all.
Kids take public transport all by themselves since they are 6 or 7, even after the sunset.
So far I think the most dangerous situations in the city are when football hooligans fight outside the stadium (that's really urban guerrilla).

I'm sure it's not perfect but 10 times better than Italy, and from what I heard even Italy is better than Malmo...
Also a fairly large chap, so YMMV, but Zurich feels incredibly safe at all times - even the "bad bits" like Langstrasse.

I think you might have more issues outside of the city - you occasionally see videos of fights in agglomeration train stations - but Zurich feels safe - even my female friends here would attest to that.
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Re: Employment with no degree & no german speaking skills.

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Also a fairly large chap, so YMMV, but Zurich feels incredibly safe at all times - even the "bad bits" like Langstrasse.
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As one of our friends whose architecture company is located on that street says...it's the safest place with so much police at night. And he would actually argue your "bad bits" as he's very attached to the whole Quartier - one of the oldest and most bohemian in Zurich .

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I think you might have more issues outside of the city - you occasionally see videos of fights in agglomeration train stations - but Zurich feels safe - even my female friends here would attest to that.
You must be terribly unlucky to see such a thing even outside of the city. Even those areas who seem more "dubious" by Swiss standards :ROFL: are in fact very safe.
Of course, shit happens or can happen everywhere. Take the normal precautions as if it could happen everywhere. ;-)

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As one of our friends whose architecture company is located on that street says...it's the safest place with so much police at night. And he would actually argue your "bad bits" as he's very attached to the whole Quartier - one of the oldest and most bohemian in Zurich .



You must be terribly unlucky to see such a thing even outside of the city. Even those areas who seem more "dubious" by Swiss standards :ROFL: are in fact very safe.
Of course, shit happens or can happen everywhere. Take the normal precautions as if it could happen everywhere. ;-)
Absolutely - "bad bits" was definitely in inverted commas as they aren't bad at all if you aren't looking for trouble.

As mentioned before, the only real issues in Zurich are the games vs Basel and the May Day stuff - even that is fairly tame compared to UK football violence, if you've ever been unfortunate enough to get caught up in that.
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As one of our friends whose architecture company is located on that street says...it's the safest place with so much police at night. And he would actually argue your "bad bits" as he's very attached to the whole Quartier - one of the oldest and most bohemian in Zurich .
My favorite part of Zurich! Never had problems there at all.

There is a problem right now in Zurich where gay men are attacked in the city late at night...which is awful, but rare. Basel is having some issues with the young population in certain areas of Klein Basel and Heuwage/Barfusserplatz.

Just use normal intelligence late at night in dark corners and all will be well.
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I just double checked with the registry and it seems like the information my school gave me was faulty. If I am outside of the country (Sweden) for more than a year I have to get unregistered. To be able to study in that school I have to be registered so yeah. Unfortunate.

I'll have to wait until 2021 June to finish my studies and only then can I do studies abroad, au-pair and all of that nice stuff. Until then I'll study german to my best ability and prepare for Switzerland by visiting him in 3 month intervals (3 months there, 3 months here to abide by the Schengen 90 180 day rule).

I'm not ending this thread as I still wanna gather up as much information as possible so I'm prepared to move in with him in a year and a half. Give me all you've got people!
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If compatible with your plans and finances, consider joining an intensive or semi-intensive German course for one or two months while here. E.g. you can study A1 level by yourself (Babbel) and do A2 level in Switzerland. It can be expensive (up to 1000 CHF/month for lessons every day) but is also relatively effective and you will meet other people moving to the same region.
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I'll have to wait until 2021 June to finish my studies and only then can I do studies abroad, au-pair and all of that nice stuff.
I would not dismiss the cautious voices here (no, I do not see them as naysayers), esp. if you are coming with the attitude of "all that nice stuff".

Study, invest in yourself, look around - and not only where your bf points you. Then plan.

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Perso experience will do. Get completely autonomous, then move out.

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I just double checked with the registry and it seems like the information my school gave me was faulty. If I am outside of the country (Sweden) for more than a year I have to get unregistered. To be able to study in that school I have to be registered so yeah. Unfortunate.

I'll have to wait until 2021 June to finish my studies and only then can I do studies abroad, au-pair and all of that nice stuff. Until then I'll study german to my best ability and prepare for Switzerland by visiting him in 3 month intervals (3 months there, 3 months here to abide by the Schengen 90 180 day rule).

I'm not ending this thread as I still wanna gather up as much information as possible so I'm prepared to move in with him in a year and a half. Give me all you've got people!
Phew, thank goodness for that... I think in years to come you will realize how beneficial it was not rushing to move here at 18. You may also find that realistically his view on the relationship may change quicker than yours as the realities of the situation set in.
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Phew, thank goodness for that... I think in years to come you will realize how beneficial it was not rushing to move here at 18. You may also find that realistically his view on the relationship may change quicker than yours as the realities of the situation set in.
A tad melodramatic.

A large percentage of UK 17/18 year olds go to university, often (intentionally!) at the other end of the country. It’s part of becoming independent and growing up.

The pearl clutching on here for a clearly smart, multilingual 18 year old having a bit of an adventure is embarrassing; has everyone really forgotten what it like to Be young and in love?

You can get back to Sweden from Zurich quicker and easier than getting from a London uni back to Scotland, for example.
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A tad melodramatic.

A large percentage of UK 17/18 year olds go to university, often (intentionally!) at the other end of the country. It’s part of becoming independent and growing up.

The pearl clutching on here for a clearly smart, multilingual 18 year old having a bit of an adventure is embarrassing; has everyone really forgotten what it like to Be young and in love?

You can get back to Sweden from Zurich quicker and easier than getting from a London uni back to Scotland, for example.
No melodrama or "pearl clutching" (lol) at all except in your own mind. Moving your life to CH at 18 for a relationship is really unwise given the likelihood of how it is going to end. Staying in Sweden, continuing studies and visiting CH regularly instead is a much safer solution.
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No melodrama or "pearl clutching" (lol) at all except in your own mind. Moving to CH at 18 for a relationship is really unwise given the likelihood of how it is going to end. Staying in Sweden, continuing studies and visiting instead is a much better solution.
In your opinion.
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No **** sherlock, same can be applied to all of our posts where we give opinions.
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No melodrama or "pearl clutching" (lol) at all except in your own mind. Moving your life to CH at 18 for a relationship is really unwise given the likelihood of how it is going to end. Staying in Sweden, continuing studies and visiting CH regularly instead is a much safer solution.
Calm down, Mystic Meg...
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No **** sherlock, same can be applied to all of our posts where we give opinions.
Good of you to admit that, as you presented it as fact. Cheers.
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An opinion based on realistic likelihoods. The chances of an 18 year old moving to another country to be with another 18 year old, then being under financial hardship and still being together for a significant period of time is extremely low by any sensible estimation.

If you live in lala land and want to believe otherwise then sure, go ahead.
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An opinion based on realistic likelihoods. The chances of an 18 year old moving to another country to be with another 18 year old, then being under financial hardship and still being together for a significant period of time is extremely low by any sensible estimation.

If you live in lala land and want to believe otherwise then sure, go ahead.
Don’t try anything, it probably won’t come off.

Crikey, most relationships end in failure, do you refuse to date?
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An opinion based on realistic likelihoods. The chances of an 18 year old moving to another country to be with another 18 year old, then being under financial hardship..
It is the fact that there isn't a place where getting into financial difficulties would be more likely than here, considering the costs here. Anything else is always up for individual situ of people...but that is irrelevant, the OP shouldn't rely on anybody but herself. It seems that people get all romantic about their 1st loves and those random stories of success, but there is enough heartache even on our boards that supports the sceptics. OP's bf can be a wonderful person but him dealing with the most cost as it is, according to the OP's calculations, not sure how long in love he'll stay.
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