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You need to earn as much money in IT as you can as soon as you can because your employability will significantly decrease beyond the age of 40, nay 50 when you'll be struggling to find a job in Coop.
Very true. Unless you are specialised in a rare skill, you have no chance as a 50+ IT person in CH. So, as the Swiss say, you need to have dry sheep at this age!
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Old 18.01.2020, 08:31
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Very true. Unless you are specialised in a rare skill, you have no chance as a 50+ IT person in CH. So, as the Swiss say, you need to have dry sheep at this age!
Does age also affect you in the IT profession in the UK?
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Old 18.01.2020, 08:38
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Does age also affect you in the IT profession in the UK?
Age affects you in IT in every country. Older workers cost more and on average (obviously not the rule) work less hours at a slower pace than younger workers.
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Age affects you in IT in every country. Older workers cost more and on average (obviously not the rule) work less hours at a slower pace than younger workers.
I am turning 38 next week. I hope to have earning potential until at least 60 considering that most people retire at 65.
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Old 18.01.2020, 08:45
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IF thatís the case I have made a bad decision to choose IT as a profession.
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Old 18.01.2020, 08:51
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Re: job offer: 70000 CHF as software engineer, what are your thoughts?

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"your employability will significantly decrease beyond the age of 40, nay 50 when you'll be struggling to find a job in CoOp."

I don't necessarily agree with that, my OH came here as a contract software consultant at the end of 2015 when he was 55 and his job became permanent when he was 58. He's 60 this year and has been told by his company he may be able to work for them in some capacity beyond retirement age up to the age of 70 if his skills are still needed. The key thing is he never stops training on new things, he has a new programming language to learn this year for a new project he's heading. He's also the oldest and most experienced in his team.

I also know quite a few software engineers who are over 40 and whose experience is very much appreciated and sought after. You know, like with everything, it depends on each person.

Even if theoretically you do belong to certain demographics is not absolutely obligatory that you'll face the same problems or have the same professional trajectory.
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Old 18.01.2020, 08:54
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IF that’s the case I have made a bad decision to choose IT as a profession.
It affects almost any mainstream profession, especially in Switzerland.

For a 38 year old you seem to be a bit naive and inexperienced about the employment world.
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Re: job offer: 70000 CHF as software engineer, what are your thoughts?

Employer taxes increase a lot once you are 50+. You won't have the newest skills by the time you are 50, so will your skills still be in demand? Obviously this depends on each individual case but the Swiss job market statistics are clear - IT is one of the few professions where you are more likely to be unemployed if you are over 50.
Also, lack of job opportunities for 50+ is regularly discussed in Swiss media such as Tele ZŁri.
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When I worked in Swiss, I had colleagues in their 50's working alongside me. It's up to you as an individual - anything is possible.
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When I worked in Swiss, I had colleagues in their 50's working alongside me. It's up to you as an individual - anything is possible.
No-one is saying you can't hold a job after 50. And no, 'anything' generally isn't possible outside of specific individual cases or Disney movies.
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When I worked in Swiss, I had colleagues in their 50's working alongside me. It's up to you as an individual - anything is possible.
Did they find the jobs after they turned 50 though? I bet they have been in those jobs for years.
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Did they find the jobs after they turned 50 though? I bet they have been in those jobs for years.
I'm, hm, close to this age group and yesterday I was helping one kid understanding a Java framework for doing Minecraft mods (Forge) and today another kid to troubleshoot an I2C hw connection (who would think one could make it wrong) and the driver and s/w control on a raspberry pi (this time over a phone and Discord :-) ).
I've met a few really good senior engineers, and, contrary to some younger ones, they haven't spent hours in the office watching youtube but actually worked hard and efficiently.
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I'm, hm, close to this age group and yesterday I was helping one kid understanding a Java framework for doing Minecraft mods (Forge) and today another kid to troubleshoot an I2C hw connection (who would think one could make it wrong) and the driver and s/w control on a raspberry pi (this time over a phone and Discord :-) ).
I've met a few really good senior engineers, and, contrary to some younger ones, they haven't spent hours in the office watching youtube but actually worked hard and efficiently.
No-one is debating the technical aptitude of over 50s but unfortunately, once you are over 50, your chances of finding a job starts to dwindle. I myself am closer now to 50 than I am to 40 and wondering if I will get another job if I decide to leave my current one.
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No-one is debating the technical aptitude of over 50s but unfortunately, once you are over 50, your chances of finding a job starts to dwindle. I myself am closer now to 50 than I am to 40 and wondering if I will get another job if I decide to leave my current one.
I think seek and you shall find, one should always be on a look out for new challenges. Projects, network, side activities...have more stuff going on than one paid job, tbh. I think those days are over. Irrespectively of age.
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No-one is debating the technical aptitude of over 50s but unfortunately, once you are over 50, your chances of finding a job starts to dwindle. I myself am closer now to 50 than I am to 40 and wondering if I will get another job if I decide to leave my current one.
If you are finding permanent work difficult as you get older look to contracting. This wins for both sides as they get better engineers (more experience and skills) but donít have the associated HR risk as you are only a temporary resource.
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I'm, hm, close to this age group and yesterday I was helping one kid understanding a Java framework for doing Minecraft mods (Forge) and today another kid to troubleshoot an I2C hw connection (who would think one could make it wrong) and the driver and s/w control on a raspberry pi (this time over a phone and Discord :-) ).
I've met a few really good senior engineers, and, contrary to some younger ones, they haven't spent hours in the office watching youtube but actually worked hard and efficiently.
...don't they ask "Where did you learn all this stuff?" or "How comes you know so many things?"
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I think seek and you shall find, one should always be on a look out for new challenges. Projects, network, side activities...have more stuff going on than one paid job, tbh. I think those days are over. Irrespectively of age.

Many HR departments will just stop reading once they see how old a person is. The Swiss tax systems discourages hiring of people over 50. Many people at this age also have children and families and cannot just up sticks and move easily.
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Many HR departments will just stop reading once they see how old a person is. The Swiss tax systems discourages hiring of people over 50. Many people at this age also have children and families and cannot just up sticks and move easily.

I've seen the larger Pharma hiring older people, but maybe they don't need to concern themselves so much with any financial liability as they can ride it out.
For smaller companies, I'd imagine they'd be thinking twice for sure.


55 is the new 65.
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I've seen the larger Pharma hiring older people, but maybe they don't need to concern themselves so much with any financial liability as they can ride it out.
For smaller companies, I'd imagine they'd be thinking twice for sure.


55 is the new 65.

Except that you don't qualify for a pension
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Re: job offer: 70000 CHF as software engineer, what are your thoughts?

Hello to all,

as final update, at the end I have obtained an annual salary of 85.000 CHF, after the technical interview with the client. A friend of mine already in the country recommended to me to press a bit more after the final acceptance of the client.

Only thing is that the new contract does not include the contribution to KTG (payment during illness), should I worry?

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