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Job offer: 90k in marketing, Geneva. Is this good?

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I've recently been offered a marketing position in Geneva for 90k. However I also received another offer in my home city Stockholm (they came in the same day!), so all in a sudden I need to choose between 2 really good offers.

I was headhunted for the Geneva position, so compare with many people that decided to move to Switzerland before they look for jobs, my knowledge about the country and what I can expect is limited to a one-week trip and an ex boyfriend, so I was hoping I can get some insight from you guys?

Both offers are great with positive potential career development, global brands. I'm sure I can learn a lot from both positions.

My major concern lies in the job security and satisfaction sector. The offer in Stockholm offers 6 weeks paid holiday, 32 hours per week during summer, clear career path and super supportive managers. Plus the security provided by the Swedish law, I won't be easily fired, good pension plan and long maternity leave (I'm single now but I want to have a family in the future years). Downside, it pays only half of the Swiss salary.

The Swiss job on the other hand is more challenging as I will have to work in a culture I'm not familiar with, the position is new so even the company is not clear about the role. That being said, they have been very smart and reasonable from our conversions, I trust they are good people to work with.

I've been working for 5 years, wouldn't get 90k salary elsewhere, so the idea of turning it down is crazy.
But i also see most people in this forum getting 100k and still feel not enough. Would the money be enough for living in Geneva? The Swiss company said they won't be able to offer me more money, I have my own 2 bedroom apartment in Stockholm and wouldn't want to downgrade my life quality. Especially I also need to through away all the awesome Swedish perks

I'd be very grateful to have your help, any suggestions, thoughts, opinions are welcome, thank you in advance!!!
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Stay in Sweden, money isn't everything


Chf 90k is good but Geneva is expensive too...
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Re: Job offer: 90k in marketing, Geneva. Is this good?

Geneva.

Learning to get out of your comfort zone is priceless. You have gained valuable experiences already, add more to them and faster.

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Regret goes both ways.You may regret staying or leaving.

It is good to get out of your comfort zone, but only if there is a little security.

A couple of things - 90K for marketing is not bad.
Do you speak French (for daily life)
Is the position in Switzerland stable? Is the management supportive? Nothing sucks worse than being thrown to the wolves. If your job in Geneva is so new, is it so new that it will be cut if crap happens? Are you resourceful enough and confident enough to move on if the worst happens.

It's a tough choice. Can you do a little more research on the Geneva opportunity. Not saying that it has to be set in stone, predictable, and the challenge is exciting, and a little uncertainty is a good thing.

I don't live in Geneva, never have. But, you might want to seriously think about the quality of life changes you may encounter.
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Re: Job offer: 90k in marketing, Geneva. Is this good?

OP might not use her French in GE at all. If so, she can leisurely learn a new language without having to depend on it. If she was coming with a family, it is a whole different story.

90k in GE for a single young professional is good.

Ton of Swedes around. For a reason.

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Re: Job offer: 90k in marketing, Geneva. Is this good?

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welcome to the forum.Well, those 90k will last depending mainly on housing and transport costs.



A modern or recently renovated 2.5 to 3 room apartment is at least 2000 CHF per month in Genève. This implies a nice kitchen, modern windows and floor heating. 2.5 to 3 room apartment means a bedroom, a living room and a kitchen. There may be cheaper apartments but less comfortable, and there are much more expensive ones of course

Some people I know in Genève share the flats to live in a nicer place for 1000-1200 CHF per month. If you look at the prices for a nice 2 bedroom apartment in Genève, easily 2500 CHF per month and above. Of course, a board member will appear out of the blue to say it's possible to find cheaper rent but......the opportunities are never there when you really need them.



Now transport. Some people, like me, love cars even if they're a hassle and a money burner. Some people go to sleep at 21h00 and never leave town, they will happily tell you public transport is all you need in Switzerland. Even if you don't own a car, having access to one is always handy. For example, if someone visits you, it's much cheaper to rent a car and drive than make them pay the train at full price. The all-inclusive public transport ticket (train+bus+trams+ships) is 340 CHF per month. There's car sharing service that actually works (mobility.ch). A private car which is not an econobox or al old beater is surely more expensive that public transport.





Speaking French is important, it helps to integrate and socialize. At the same time the least liked foreigners are the French due to the crazy amount of workers commuting daily from France to work in Genève. Also, it's a big city (for Swiss standard) full of foreigners. Any remarks on not knowing the local language will only probably come from the frontalière underclass.
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OP might not use her French in GE at all. If so, she can leisurely learn a new language without having to depend on it. If she was coming with a family, it is a whole different story.

90k in GE for a single young professional is good.

Ton of Swedes around. For a reason.

Sure you don't need French in Geneva, not German in Zurich, but without it you live in a little expat bubble complaining between yourselves how nasty and insular the Swiss are.


Learn the language and the benefits are enormous, you can speak to loclas, get invited all over the place (take the OP Mctavge for an example) you can understand, you can avoid getting screwed by the nastry unscrupulous Swiss.....the list is very long !
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Of course.

OP is encouraged to learn French at her own pace. GE is very Anglophone, FR not immediately needed for survival.

It is a good mix in GE, btw. Very diverse. Fun.
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Re: Job offer: 90k in marketing, Geneva. Is this good?

I would consider the following:

6 weeks holidays vs 5 weeks holidays (most cases)
32 h work week in summer vs 42.5 h work week the entire year (in most cases)
Long maternity leave vs 4 months

Beside of the salary which you say it's better in Switzerland then I think most of the cases above will be for Sweden.

You mentioned that you want to get rid some Swedish perks - OK then it will be Switzerland. We have our own Swiss perks
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Thanks for the new perspectives! Just as you said, uncertainty can be a really good thing, but I definitely worry about not delivering the performance at the new role, not because i don't trust myself competent wise but more because of the job has alot to do with world enviornment, the protest in HK and the disease outbreak in China now can all influence the performance

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welcome to the forum.Well, those 90k will last depending mainly on housing and transport costs.



A modern or recently renovated 2.5 to 3 room apartment is at least 2000 CHF per month in Genève. This implies a nice kitchen, modern windows and floor heating. 2.5 to 3 room apartment means a bedroom, a living room and a kitchen. There may be cheaper apartments but less comfortable, and there are much more expensive ones of course

Some people I know in Genève share the flats to live in a nicer place for 1000-1200 CHF per month. If you look at the prices for a nice 2 bedroom apartment in Genève, easily 2500 CHF per month and above. Of course, a board member will appear out of the blue to say it's possible to find cheaper rent but......the opportunities are never there when you really need them.



Now transport. Some people, like me, love cars even if they're a hassle and a money burner. Some people go to sleep at 21h00 and never leave town, they will happily tell you public transport is all you need in Switzerland. Even if you don't own a car, having access to one is always handy. For example, if someone visits you, it's much cheaper to rent a car and drive than make them pay the train at full price. The all-inclusive public transport ticket (train+bus+trams+ships) is 340 CHF per month. There's car sharing service that actually works (mobility.ch). A private car which is not an econobox or al old beater is surely more expensive that public transport.





Speaking French is important, it helps to integrate and socialize. At the same time the least liked foreigners are the French due to the crazy amount of workers commuting daily from France to work in Genève. Also, it's a big city (for Swiss standard) full of foreigners. Any remarks on not knowing the local language will only probably come from the frontalière underclass.
Thank you for the warm welcome and the insight! I definitely want to have a car but I don't have a drivers license yet so hopefully I can get one in Switzerland once I move there and then start driving, before that I'm thinking maybe I can get a motorcycle license instead.
I will definitely taken upon French, I'm really not talented with language but it's such a romantic language lol

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Of course.

OP is encouraged to learn French at her own pace. GE is very Anglophone, FR not immediately needed for survival.

It is a good mix in GE, btw. Very diverse. Fun.
Thanks, I will definitely learn French is I move to GE, such a beautiful language!

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Thanks for the new perspectives! Just as you said, uncertainty can be a really good thing, but I definitely worry about not delivering the performance at the new role, not because i don't trust myself competent wise but more because of the job has alot to do with world enviornment, the protest in HK and the disease outbreak in China now can all influence the performance


Thank you for the warm welcome and the insight! I definitely want to have a car but I don't have a drivers license yet so hopefully I can get one in Switzerland once I move there and then start driving, before that I'm thinking maybe I can get a motorcycle license instead.
I will definitely taken upon French, I'm really not talented with language but it's such a romantic language lol


Thanks, I will definitely learn French is I move to GE, such a beautiful language!
Good for you. It is lovely. And if you find yourself not saving enough, Uni Populaire runs classes of French for free, I took them for a couple of years. Only paid enrollment admin fee and books.
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Re: Job offer: 90k in marketing, Geneva. Is this good?

Always start with worst case scenario, staying in Sweden comes across a natural choice for you. But moving to Switzerland will offer you a chance to broaden your experience to live in culturally different place and it is priceless. Beyond money perks and benefit is also one of the best in Switzerland - what worst could happen you are single (easier as compared to with kids etc) and have to move back to Sweden; come out of comfort zone 👍

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Hey guys,

I've recently been offered a marketing position in Geneva for 90k. However I also received another offer in my home city Stockholm (they came in the same day!), so all in a sudden I need to choose between 2 really good offers.

I was headhunted for the Geneva position, so compare with many people that decided to move to Switzerland before they look for jobs, my knowledge about the country and what I can expect is limited to a one-week trip and an ex boyfriend, so I was hoping I can get some insight from you guys?

Both offers are great with positive potential career development, global brands. I'm sure I can learn a lot from both positions.

My major concern lies in the job security and satisfaction sector. The offer in Stockholm offers 6 weeks paid holiday, 32 hours per week during summer, clear career path and super supportive managers. Plus the security provided by the Swedish law, I won't be easily fired, good pension plan and long maternity leave (I'm single now but I want to have a family in the future years). Downside, it pays only half of the Swiss salary.

The Swiss job on the other hand is more challenging as I will have to work in a culture I'm not familiar with, the position is new so even the company is not clear about the role. That being said, they have been very smart and reasonable from our conversions, I trust they are good people to work with.

I've been working for 5 years, wouldn't get 90k salary elsewhere, so the idea of turning it down is crazy.
But i also see most people in this forum getting 100k and still feel not enough. Would the money be enough for living in Geneva? The Swiss company said they won't be able to offer me more money, I have my own 2 bedroom apartment in Stockholm and wouldn't want to downgrade my life quality. Especially I also need to through away all the awesome Swedish perks

I'd be very grateful to have your help, any suggestions, thoughts, opinions are welcome, thank you in advance!!!
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Re: Job offer: 90k in marketing, Geneva. Is this good?

Try getting your car license in Sweden, it’s not easy here....topic for later though

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Thanks for the new perspectives! Just as you said, uncertainty can be a really good thing, but I definitely worry about not delivering the performance at the new role, not because i don't trust myself competent wise but more because of the job has alot to do with world enviornment, the protest in HK and the disease outbreak in China now can all influence the performance


Thank you for the warm welcome and the insight! I definitely want to have a car but I don't have a drivers license yet so hopefully I can get one in Switzerland once I move there and then start driving, before that I'm thinking maybe I can get a motorcycle license instead.
I will definitely taken upon French, I'm really not talented with language but it's such a romantic language lol


Thanks, I will definitely learn French is I move to GE, such a beautiful language!
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I would consider the following:

6 weeks holidays vs 5 weeks holidays (most cases)
32 h work week in summer vs 42.5 h work week the entire year (in most cases)
Long maternity leave vs 4 months

Beside of the salary which you say it's better in Switzerland then I think most of the cases above will be for Sweden.

You mentioned that you want to get rid some Swedish perks - OK then it will be Switzerland. We have our own Swiss perks
Haha Switzerland has lots to offer! The beautiful nature, easy access to other part of Europe. Also people are so elegant and classy in Switzerland, I would love to live in Switzerland to be honest.

It's not easy in Sweden either, I failed already...

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Re: Job offer: 90k in marketing, Geneva. Is this good?

I would advise to take the Swiss offer.

Explain to the Swedish employer that you loved their offer but you got the chance to move abroad and that is really something you want to do and valuable and that you hope you can stay in touch for future opportunities once you have completed your time abroad.

Then stay in touch every six months or so.

If things don't work out in CH you have something to go back to (granted they may not have the same job at the exact time you need it but if they really like you they will find a way to make it work).

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The Swiss job on the other hand is more challenging as I will have to work in a culture I'm not familiar with, the position is new so even the company is not clear about the role.
You need for them to be more clear about your role. I am now on my second job where the job description provided prior to me starting there is totally different to the actual job. I am starting to wonder if it is just me or a growing trend. You don't want to come out here and work in a job you don't feel excited about doing.

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