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chaconne 16.02.2020 06:01

Terrified going to the new job
 
Hi,

this could qualify as a Friday post, but is a 5am Sunday one instead ��

Just started a rather basic, but full intensity job little over two weeks ago and at this point I'm certain I want and need to leave.

The reason being, I'm genuinely terrified going to work and in those two weeks of working here, my overall health went from fantastic (past 30 years) to deteroating on daily basis to the point neighbors/friends were commenting with concern.

According to the contract, the period of notice is end of the calendar month. That means currently, two more weeks.

My question is, is there a way I can ask for immediate release?

1. Before we drive to several locations, we meet at the office, which caters to smokers. As a non-smoker spending 0.5-1.5 hours before an actual job in a room of people all smoking is an absolute torture. I'm that person who at the train station walks away from the smoker. So, within minutes I feel nauseous and threw up few times last week.
On the top of it, this waiting/meeting period is unpaid and yes, is mandatory with arrival time firmly set.

2. Then we drive to/from various locations. Bless the driver's heart, but we each day almost hit several pedestrians who are already standing at the crosswalks, children included.
The rights of way are also often not given properly and we are honked at a lot. One of the coworkers litters from the window. The car has a company logo on it. The driver talks vulgar words and profanities how this job sucks during the drives. This driving time is also unpaid.
I feel I'm risking my life each day, it's that bad I cried on Friday as I went to work. Especially seeing small children being almost hit several times past Friday or our small car not yielding to a large vehicle is very very stressful and also makes me physically ill. During the drives my responsibility is to be double checking navi, addresses, names of clients, times, etc.

3. Then we start working at first location and it's finally a paid time.
The coworkers I'm on the team with hate the job and the moment we met they were doing everything to make it difficult for me, including blatantly sabotaging my work as of sending me to wait in the car at the end of each location and undoing some of my work. I've returned to house to ask if I can do anything more, which is how I've found out the first sabotage. They kept being a daily occurance.
They are whispering since first moment, disrespectful to the clients and passive agressive in a rather primitive overt way.
I kept quiet and started taking evidence photos. After two weeks when I ran out of any and all benefits of doubt, I've informed the boss. She thanked me and said from what she seen she is very pleased with the quality of work I'm doing.
She said we all will talk on Tuesday.

But..I'm terrified to work there even another minute. The actual work, although requiring a lot is doable and is as expected.

Any way I can free myself from working there two more weeks and do such in a correct, reasonable manner?

Many thanks for advise.
The Friday crew is welcome, I will laugh with you.

omtatsat 16.02.2020 07:12

Re: Terrified going to the new job
 
You could at least say what type of work you are doing?

From the Sunday bloody Sunday crew!

Island Monkey 16.02.2020 07:17

Re: Terrified going to the new job
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by chaconne (Post 3148638)
According to the contract, the period of notice is end of the calendar month. That means currently, two more weeks.

This makes no sense to me. "end of calendar month" is not a notice period. :confused:

Normally your notice period is 1-3 months depending on the job. However, in Switzerland, when starting a new job, you normally have a probationary period where the notice period is one week.

Chuff 16.02.2020 08:08

Re: Terrified going to the new job
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by chaconne (Post 3148638)
Hi,

this could qualify as a Friday post, but is a 5am Sunday one instead ��

Just started a rather basic, but full intensity job little over two weeks ago and at this point I'm certain I want and need to leave.

The reason being, I'm genuinely terrified going to work and in those two weeks of working here, my overall health went from fantastic (past 30 years) to deteroating on daily basis to the point neighbors/friends were commenting with concern.

According to the contract, the period of notice is end of the calendar month. That means currently, two more weeks.

My question is, is there a way I can ask for immediate release?

1. Before we drive to several locations, we meet at the office, which caters to smokers. As a non-smoker spending 0.5-1.5 hours before an actual job in a room of people all smoking is an absolute torture. I'm that person who at the train station walks away from the smoker. So, within minutes I feel nauseous and threw up few times last week.
On the top of it, this waiting/meeting period is unpaid and yes, is mandatory with arrival time firmly set.

2. Then we drive to/from various locations. Bless the driver's heart, but we each day almost hit several pedestrians who are already standing at the crosswalks, children included.
The rights of way are also often not given properly and we are honked at a lot. One of the coworkers litters from the window. The car has a company logo on it. The driver talks vulgar words and profanities how this job sucks during the drives. This driving time is also unpaid.
I feel I'm risking my life each day, it's that bad I cried on Friday as I went to work. Especially seeing small children being almost hit several times past Friday or our small car not yielding to a large vehicle is very very stressful and also makes me physically ill. During the drives my responsibility is to be double checking navi, addresses, names of clients, times, etc.

3. Then we start working at first location and it's finally a paid time.
The coworkers I'm on the team with hate the job and the moment we met they were doing everything to make it difficult for me, including blatantly sabotaging my work as of sending me to wait in the car at the end of each location and undoing some of my work. I've returned to house to ask if I can do anything more, which is how I've found out the first sabotage. They kept being a daily occurance.
They are whispering since first moment, disrespectful to the clients and passive agressive in a rather primitive overt way.
I kept quiet and started taking evidence photos. After two weeks when I ran out of any and all benefits of doubt, I've informed the boss. She thanked me and said from what she seen she is very pleased with the quality of work I'm doing.
She said we all will talk on Tuesday.

But..I'm terrified to work there even another minute. The actual work, although requiring a lot is doable and is as expected.

Any way I can free myself from working there two more weeks and do such in a correct, reasonable manner?

Many thanks for advise.
The Friday crew is welcome, I will laugh with you.

You have been there a mere 2 weeks, and its unpaid. Do you really need to be told to immediately quit and find something else?

omtatsat 16.02.2020 08:09

Re: Terrified going to the new job
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by chaconne (Post 3148638)
Hi,

this could qualify as a Friday post, but is a 5am Sunday one instead ��

Just started a rather basic, but full intensity job little over two weeks ago and at this point I'm certain I want and need to leave.

The reason being, I'm genuinely terrified going to work and in those two weeks of working here, my overall health went from fantastic (past 30 years) to deteroating on daily basis to the point neighbors/friends were commenting with concern.

According to the contract, the period of notice is end of the calendar month. That means currently, two more weeks.

My question is, is there a way I can ask for immediate release?

1. Before we drive to several locations, we meet at the office, which caters to smokers. As a non-smoker spending 0.5-1.5 hours before an actual job in a room of people all smoking is an absolute torture. I'm that person who at the train station walks away from the smoker. So, within minutes I feel nauseous and threw up few times last week.
On the top of it, this waiting/meeting period is unpaid and yes, is mandatory with arrival time firmly set.

2. Then we drive to/from various locations. Bless the driver's heart, but we each day almost hit several pedestrians who are already standing at the crosswalks, children included.
The rights of way are also often not given properly and we are honked at a lot. One of the coworkers litters from the window. The car has a company logo on it. The driver talks vulgar words and profanities how this job sucks during the drives. This driving time is also unpaid.
I feel I'm risking my life each day, it's that bad I cried on Friday as I went to work. Especially seeing small children being almost hit several times past Friday or our small car not yielding to a large vehicle is very very stressful and also makes me physically ill. During the drives my responsibility is to be double checking navi, addresses, names of clients, times, etc.

3. Then we start working at first location and it's finally a paid time.
The coworkers I'm on the team with hate the job and the moment we met they were doing everything to make it difficult for me, including blatantly sabotaging my work as of sending me to wait in the car at the end of each location and undoing some of my work. I've returned to house to ask if I can do anything more, which is how I've found out the first sabotage. They kept being a daily occurance.
They are whispering since first moment, disrespectful to the clients and passive agressive in a rather primitive overt way.
I kept quiet and started taking evidence photos. After two weeks when I ran out of any and all benefits of doubt, I've informed the boss. She thanked me and said from what she seen she is very pleased with the quality of work I'm doing.
She said we all will talk on Tuesday.

But..I'm terrified to work there even another minute. The actual work, although requiring a lot is doable and is as expected.

Any way I can free myself from working there two more weeks and do such in a correct, reasonable manner?

Many thanks for advise.
The Friday crew is welcome, I will laugh with you.

What are you doing in a car with so many EF members?;)

curley 16.02.2020 08:13

Re: Terrified going to the new job
 
You're right, totally sounds like a Friday thread.

In case it' not: You started "a little over to weeks ago" therefore you are in probation time.
You've seen the job and circumstances, you don't like it. You have one week to resign, that's what probation is for.

So write that letter today, hand it in tomorrow, have reception signed.
Unless you're scheduled for certain work for the week (as we don't know what you are working) they might even let you go on the spot.

No need to talk on Tuesday. You mainly complain about things that have nothing to do with the work itself. You don't like/fit the team. Again, that's what probation is about, checking this out.

omtatsat 16.02.2020 08:16

Re: Terrified going to the new job
 
And that bit about having to sit in a room with smokers.Thats completely illegal. Tell them to stop their smoking! Long live the revolution!

NotAllThere 16.02.2020 08:42

Re: Terrified going to the new job
 
This sounds like one of those zero hours cleaning jobs. Meet up at a location, get briefed on what's happening for the day, get driven to the work location - and then you start getting paid. (It was a scenario on Vera on ITV a few weeks ago.)

It's difficult to give any concrete advice as you account is somewhat incoherent, but I suggest that on Monday, instead of going to work, you see a doctor, get signed off work for stress. Once you've got your breath back and some semblance of normality, then look at ways of getting out. Do not trust your employer too much - the way your co-workers behave may be a reflection of the nature of the boss. The fact that you are obliged to effectively do unpaid work in a toxic environment shows already that the boss isn't a good person.

chaconne 16.02.2020 08:50

Re: Terrified going to the new job
 
I appreciate your reply.

I've just checked the paragraph of period of notice and it is indeed 7 days. I misunderstood German that it is till end of month.

I'm scheduled and planned in for the next week. Any chance
I can be freed on the spot for sure?

It's the sketchiness of all the driving mostly. It would be really dumb and unnecessary way to go.

Not trying to sound dramatic, it's just that bad.
The two text book dark triad coworkers are something to run from too.

Ideally I would be interested in a way out on the spot.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by curley (Post 3148651)
You're right, totally sounds like a Friday thread.

In case it' not: You started "a little over to weeks ago" therefore you are in probation time.
You've seen the job and circumstances, you don't like it. You have one week to resign, that's what probation is for.

So write that letter today, hand it in tomorrow, have reception signed.
Unless you're scheduled for certain work for the week (as we don't know what you are working) they might even let you go on the spot.

No need to talk on Tuesday. You mainly complain about things that have nothing to do with the work itself. You don't like/fit the team. Again, that's what probation is about, checking this out.


chaconne 16.02.2020 08:54

Re: Terrified going to the new job
 
I misunderstood the paragraph my contract refers to in german, 7 days notice is current notice period in my case.




Quote:

Originally Posted by Island Monkey (Post 3148643)
This makes no sense to me. "end of calendar month" is not a notice period. :confused:

Normally your notice period is 1-3 months depending on the job. However, in Switzerland, when starting a new job, you normally have a probationary period where the notice period is one week.


robBob 16.02.2020 08:56

Re: Terrified going to the new job
 
Call in sick. Lung inhalations problems.

chaconne 16.02.2020 08:56

Re: Terrified going to the new job
 
Not unpaid, the Büro smoking time and hours per day worth super sketchy drives are unpaid. Driver mght be paid though.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuff (Post 3148649)
You have been there a mere 2 weeks, and its unpaid. Do you really need to be told to immediately quit and find something else?


chaconne 16.02.2020 08:59

Re: Terrified going to the new job
 
If it would be 1-2 smokers and 20 non smokers I would ask them to refrain from smoking. I'm however the only non smoker there.


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Quote:

Originally Posted by omtatsat (Post 3148652)
And that bit about having to sit in a room with smokers.Thats completely illegal. Tell them to stop their smoking! Long live the revolution!


Chuff 16.02.2020 09:05

Re: Terrified going to the new job
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by chaconne (Post 3148662)
Not unpaid, the Büro smoking time and hours per day worth super sketchy drives are unpaid. Driver mght be paid though.

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The point which you are ignoring remains. Quit and find a new job.

chaconne 16.02.2020 09:06

Re: Terrified going to the new job
 
Thank you, I do have a history of being rather naïve. Coming from over two decades of freelancing I'm learning bit late how to navigate certain environments.




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Quote:

Originally Posted by NotAllThere (Post 3148656)
This sounds like one of those zero hours cleaning jobs. Meet up at a location, get briefed on what's happening for the day, get driven to the work location - and then you start getting paid. (It was a scenario on Vera on ITV a few weeks ago.)

It's difficult to give any concrete advice as you account is somewhat incoherent, but I suggest that on Monday, instead of going to work, you see a doctor, get signed off work for stress. Once you've got your breath back and some semblance of normality, then look at ways of getting out. Do not trust your employer too much - the way your co-workers behave may be a reflection of the nature of the boss. The fact that you are obliged to effectively do unpaid work in a toxic environment shows already that the boss isn't a good person.


heckenhocker 16.02.2020 09:17

Re: Terrified going to the new job
 
Lots of ways to get yourself released promptly in this scenario:

Make a formal complaint about the smoking - the rest of the team will ensure you are allowed to leave immediately.

Refuse to do the checking of the navi etc during the drives - you're not being paid, don't work

Don't turn up for the waiting-around period - you're not being paid, not receiving an on-call / availability allowance

If they insist on presence for the waiting-around period, ask for the schedule on paper, then inform them you require to be paid for this time and that you will be taking it up with your legal insurance. Expecting people to be present 5-10 minutes before the bus leaves is normal, 30 minutes is excessive, 1.5 hours is simply ridiculous.

I know you'll think "they'll sabotage my work"....but they are doing that anyway and you've made your complaint to the manager....and you don't want the job. So worst case, they sabotage some more and you get removed immediately = result! Sure that'll be a pain for the client, but that's on the company if you have made your formal complaint with evidence.

If you are feeling bad about the client, but have the strength (this is not an easy option), go back into the client as the others leave and check the work....the client will be happy, the others unhappy but will be reaping the results of their idiocy.

chaconne 16.02.2020 09:40

Re: Terrified going to the new job
 
Thank you, thank you! I was hoping for an advice such yours.

All facts check just as you describe.

I will post here within two or three days and inform how it went.


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Quote:

Originally Posted by heckenhocker (Post 3148670)
Lots of ways to get yourself released promptly in this scenario:

Make a formal complaint about the smoking - the rest of the team will ensure you are allowed to leave immediately.


Refuse to do the checking of the navi etc during the drives - you're not being paid, don't work

Don't turn up for the waiting-around period - you're not being paid, not receiving an on-call / availability allowance

If they insist on presence for the waiting-around period, ask for the schedule on paper, then inform them you require to be paid for this time and that you will be taking it up with your legal insurance. Expecting people to be present 5-10 minutes before the bus leaves is normal, 30 minutes is excessive, 1.5 hours is simply ridiculous.

I know you'll think "they'll sabotage my work"....but they are doing that anyway and you've made your complaint to the manager....and you don't want the job. So worst case, they sabotage some more and you get removed immediately = result! Sure that'll be a pain for the client, but that's on the company if you have made your formal complaint with evidence.

If you are feeling bad about the client, but have the strength (this is not an easy option), go back into the client as the others leave and check the work....the client will be happy, the others unhappy but will be reaping the results of their idiocy.


chaconne 18.02.2020 08:24

Re: Terrified going to the new job
 
An UPDATE:

NotAllThere member was right when said: "...Do not trust your employer too much - the way your co-workers behave may be a reflection of the nature of the boss. The fact that you are obliged to effectively do unpaid work in a toxic environment shows already that the boss isn't a good person."

I've submitted simple version of Kündigung. Had two versions prepared. One with 7 days notice period and another with current date. Then I've asked the boss which one she prefers and told her I strongly prefer the immediate one.
She said she was very pleased to have me working with them, but she has to accept. She said I don't have to work upcoming 7 days if I don't want to.

Stating that I was thrilled is an understatement.

That being said, she is aware vaguely there is mistreatment of elderly (often invalid in vulnerable states) clients taking place, various shadiness in other aspects how the job been conducted by my coworkers, sabotaging of results, writing false work times, etc...but she showed no interest to learn the specifics.

I'm happy to be free, but feel for the elderly clients, who are all the sweetest, thoughtful people, always addressing us by name with the smile on, always having quality snacks/water bottles for us.

Couple of my swiss friends suggested to report the company, but I'm simply scared as life thought me it's wise to just avoid people who lack conscience and remorse.

Btw, had very limiting L permit five times now and the reason behind taking these type of jobs is not being able to get a permit so I can do my actual freelance profession as an artist. It worked for me for 25 years perfectly (financially as well) but not in the country which is otherwise the most compatible for my lifestyle. I have to admit though, practicalities, especially those of administrative
nature are not my forte😁

Thank you for all great advise and clarity I've received not only in this thread but on this amazing forum in general.

omtatsat 18.02.2020 08:26

Re: Terrified going to the new job
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by chaconne (Post 3149235)
An UPDATE:

NotAllThere member was right when said: "...Do not trust your employer too much - the way your co-workers behave may be a reflection of the nature of the boss. The fact that you are obliged to effectively do unpaid work in a toxic environment shows already that the boss isn't a good person."

I've submitted simple version of Kündigung. Had two versions prepared. One with 7 days notice period and another with current date. Then I've asked the boss which one she prefers and told her I strongly prefer the immediate one.
She said she was very pleased to have me working with them, but she has to accept. She said I don't have to work upcoming 7 days if I don't want to.

Stating that I was thrilled is an understatement.

That being said, she is aware vaguely there is mistreatment of elderly (often invalid in vulnerable states) clients taking place, various shadiness in other aspects how the job been conducted by my coworkers, sabotaging of results, writing false work times, etc...but she showed no interest to learn the specifics.

I'm happy to be free, but feel for the elderly clients, who are all the sweetest, thoughtful people, always addressing us by name with the smile on, always having quality snacks/water bottles for us.

Couple of my swiss friends suggested to report the company, but I'm simply scared as life thought me it's wise to just avoid people who lack conscience and remorse.

Btw, had very limiting L permit five times now and the reason behind taking these type of jobs is not being able to get a permit so I can do my actual freelance profession as an artist. It worked for me for 25 years perfectly (financially as well) but not in the country which is otherwise the most compatible for my lifestyle. I have to admit though, practicalities, especially those of administrative
nature are not my forte��

Thank you for all great advise and clarity I've received not only in this thread but on this amazing forum in general.

I would say your co-workers and your boss are certainly not Swiss born? As a guess import workers from East Europe

chaconne 18.02.2020 08:28

Re: Terrified going to the new job
 
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