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Old 30.03.2020, 18:11
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Re: Work time reduction under Corona

My employer decided (again), after massive protests from all the teams, that we still have to work 50% at the company, despite being able to work well/full time from home.

I´m sure there will be a massive exodus as soon as this is over......

For those who understand German, not surprising as:

https://www.focus.de/finanzen/karrie..._11829395.html
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Re: Work time reduction under Corona

I feel for you, roegner. It's just foolish, and disrespectful to a workforce. Sending the message that you're essentially disposable is hardly the way to gain employee loyalty.

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Old 30.03.2020, 19:00
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Re: Work time reduction under Corona

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Thanks all for your very eye-opening insights.

My wife finally got fired this morning just one week after being sent the 20% kurzarbeit statement (which she didn't refuse).

It makes me wonder why they would put her on Kurzarbeit if they plan to fire her anyways. Does that mean that they are taking advantage of the situation to only pay her 20% for the 3 months notice?

Will she only get the 80% of the 80% remaining salary during this period?
Persons who are in a terminated employment relationship are not entitled to short-time work compensation, according to this Swiss Federal government webpage:

https://www.bsv.admin.ch/bsv/de/home...urzarbeit.html
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Re: Work time reduction under Corona

Fellows, glad I found this thread here. Here, we're living the same situation as my girlfriend was placed under "Work reduction" for 100%. She won't work at all. All is clear except one point, she might get calls and requests to still perform some tasks/reports. How will she get paid for the time spent on that?
Can one explain and if possible provide a source for that information?
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Re: Work time reduction under Corona

She is being paid 80% of her salary no? In which case, it is fair to ask her to do some tasks that can be done remotely.
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Re: Work time reduction under Corona

She is being paid by the government, not by the company (company will get the money back) so no, it's not fair the company still "use" her.
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Old 31.03.2020, 12:28
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Re: Work time reduction under Corona

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She is being paid by the government, not by the company (company will get the money back) so no, it's not fair the company still "use" her.
Actually the govt are helping employers to keep staff on. Her employer will be paying her, not actually from the govt (but using funds from the grant the govt gives them).
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Re: Work time reduction under Corona

Well, nothing against the morality of her company decision. And nothing against performing some tasks as well. It's our interest that the company survives and we can all go back to normality. We just would like to know what the law says about that.
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Re: Work time reduction under Corona

And for part time workers (and employers like me who employ part time staff). I at first understood that the govt will pay me 80% of the hours working under contracted hours (in my case my staff contracts stipulate 15 hours per week). But I've just been told that they will pay 80% of the short hours under their average hours for the last year. So for most of my staff who have worked on average more than 15 hours a week the last year, they will be gainers.

And I've also been told that I, the business owner, also qualify for that. Although I'm working less hours at my shop, I have of course still got plenty of admin work to do at home, including filling in all the forms with time sheets etc. I'll update once I get the first payments in.
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Well, nothing against the morality of her company decision. And nothing against performing some tasks as well. It's our interest that the company survives and we can all go back to normality. We just would like to know what the law says about that.
She is being paid by her employer. If they want her to do some reasonable tasks within her job description in her contract, they have every right to ask her to do that.
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Re: Work time reduction under Corona

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She is being paid by her employer. If they want her to do some reasonable tasks within her job description in her contract, they have every right to ask her to do that.
Well, I assume that's just your opinion. And I think it's a pretty valid one, please don't get me wrong.

I would like to hear the opinion/explanations of someone taking the side of the government in this case. The gov will pay back to the company 80% of the salary of someone who is, in theory, 100% laid off. If this person is still working, let's imagine in a 10% base the gov should only pay 80% of 90% of her salary and not from 100%.

Is there something in the law regarding this?
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Re: Work time reduction under Corona

If the company asks her to do some tasks, let's say 10% of her normal working hours. The company will pay her the 10% that she's working (or whatever it might be, and it might change each month) and then they will claim 80% of the remaining 90% of her lost hours from the government for her.
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Re: Work time reduction under Corona

This question is about the Swiss Federal Council's press conference of 01.04.2020.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iau7...re=emb_rel_end

37:38
A journalist asked about compensation for independent businesses of people whose income has been lost «indirectly», i.e. not as direct a result of the specific prohibitions ordered by the Federal Council. The journalist mentioned, as an example, physiotherapists (as opposed to restaurant owners, whose income is lost «directly» by obeying the prohibitions).

Could someone please fix my rough translation of the reply of M. Bundesrat Guy Parmelin, Vorsteher Eidgenössisches Departement für Wirtschaft, Bildung und Forschung (WBF)? Thank you.

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38:23
We want to deliminite, very carefully, who has a right, and who will possibly not be covered by the various measures.

A problematic case, which is repeatedly brought up in this regard is the taxi drivers.
But you are right, there are other categories which have lost 90% or more of their income.

This work, of delineating how it will work
And afterwards it will be necessary to analyse how these persons could be paid and the Federal Council must decide on these categories and then make a…[Please, what did he say, here?] fund, and this must also be analyse very carefully because it’s a matter….
[Please, what did he say, here?]
But we’re working on it and …. again.
Thank you.

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Well, I assume that's just your opinion.
It's not just his opinion, it's the way that it works.

If she gets called in to work, she will be better off financially.

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