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Dear all,

I hope all of you are keeping well and safe in these challenging days.

I am gonna write a long message to explain my situation. I hope someone can help.
  • On December 30th 2018, I came to Switzerland for my master's degree at EPFL.
  • In January 2019, I received my B-student permit which is valid until January 5th 2020.
  • On January 15th 2019, I started working as an intern in Vevey, Canton of Vaud. My contract was 100% and I worked there until December 31st 2019. Taxes were deducted from my salary according to Vaud's laws,
  • On December 6th 2019, I applied to Lausanne Foreigners Office to extend my student visa. Besides that, I got an official document stating that my stay in Switzerland is valid for the next 6 months.
  • On December 10th 2019, I received a job offer from a company in Basel. Since I am non-European, it was not easy to get a work permit, but they assured me that they will support me in getting a work permit.
  • In December 2019, my company applied for a work permit on my behalf.
  • On January 22nd 2020, my company informed me that my application has been approved.
  • On January 24th 2020, I applied for a changing canton from Vaud to Basel Stadt.
  • On February 10th 2020, I started working for my company in Basel, as Cantonal authorities gave me permission to start on February 5th, 2020.
  • Since that day, I have not been able to get my new Swiss identity card. The authorities of Basel Stadt said that they are waiting for the documents from the Canton of Vaud for the evaluation.
  • In March 2020, my company applied for "Kurzarbeit", which is known as "Swiss Government's aid&short-time working hours", until the end of June and I gave my consent to be part of it.
  • Last week, I got in touch with the Canton of Vaud and kindly asked them to send the remaining documents to Basel Stadt. After that, they sent it and Basel Stadt also gave me the confirmation that they have received it and said that they will check my application within a week.
  • Yesterday, HR informed me that all the contracts for people, who are in the probation period, will be terminated. Unfortunately, I am one of those people and my notice period is only 1 week, so starting from April 15th, I will no longer have a job. To be honest, I was not expecting to hear such news until June because I gave the consent for "Kurzarbeit", so it becomes kind of shocking news for me. It is such a pity to learn to lose my job not because of my performance but because of this virus and the financial effect on the company.
  • Today, I contacted the migration office in Basel and they said that the person, who is responsible for my application, is out of office until April 15th 2020 and he should examine it once he is back.
  • Today, I also went to RAV to find out if I can apply for unemployment benefits. It was closed but one of the employees gave me the documents to fill out and told me that I must have an identity card or at least an official document for applying for unemployment benefits.

Guys, I really do not know what to do. I would like to ask you a few questions if you don't mind:
  1. As I said, I do not currently have a valid Swiss ID. I've been waiting for new identity card for more than 3 months. I only have an official document stating that I can stay in Switzerland and I got it when I applied to extend my student visa. I worked in Switzerland at least 1 year in the last two years. (350 days as a full-time intern + 63 days as a full-time employee) Do you think that I can apply for the unemployment benefits under these conditions?
  2. I will be unemployed as of April 15th 2020. What is my last day for applying for unemployment benefits?
  3. To be honest, I was expecting to receive a B work-permit because I had already B student-permit and plus that I have an unlimited employment contract. However, I do not know what my permit will be now. I even do not know if I can look for a job with my new permit. As I said before, my work permit application was approved. Do you think that I can look for a new job even though I lost my job?

My life has turned upside down in just one month, I keep getting bad news. I really need your support, any help/suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you everyone, I wish you all a happy Easter, filled with happiness, peace and health.

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Re: Kindly Need Your Suggestions

You don't really need the permit to go on RAV, a simple attestation from Office de Population that your permit is in progress will suffice.

I spent 3.5 years without the actual permit in this country while I was employed, than on chomage and than I created my own company only with this paper that proves you are in the system and that the decision is being made, no actual permit in hand
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Hello, I cannot offer much beyond my sympathies. Your situation is really complex. Anyway, a few ideas:

1 - Do you have the old permit? Even if it's expired, it's a proof that the renovation of the permit is being assessed. But, this varies from canton to canton. Where I lived before (NE) they took away the old permit and just left you with a letter stating the permit extension process was initiated. In Aargau you keep the old permit until you get the new one.

2 - There's no deadline. But, the sooner the better because unemployment benefits arrive after some delay.

3 - This is a complex case, better consult a lawyer. In every canton there's a lawyer association (advokatenkammer) when you get 15-20 min of counseling for a minor fee. In Basel it's 10 CHF ( https://akbs.ch/ihr-anliegen/rechtsauskunft) If your question is relatively simple you leave there with an answer, if not they can send you to the right lawyer. In your case, someone specialized in residence permits. Unfortunately, this service is not offered due to the lockdown until the end of April. You may call them to check if it's possible to have the short consulting session remotely.
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You don't really need the permit to go on RAV, a simple attestation from Office de Population that your permit is in progress will suffice.

I spent 3.5 years without the actual permit in this country while I was employed, than on chomage and than I created my own company only with this paper that proves you are in the system and that the decision is being made, no actual permit in hand
Thank you, my friend. You made me relived. I will ask for an attestation letter from Basel Stadt next week.

Do you think that I should go to RAV in Basel or in Lausanne? Or it does not actually matter? I live in Basel but my address is still registered in Lausanne.
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Hello, I cannot offer much beyond my sympathies. Your situation is really complex. Anyway, a few ideas:

1 - Do you have the old permit? Even if it's expired, it's a proof that the renovation of the permit is being assessed. But, this varies from canton to canton. Where I lived before (NE) they took away the old permit and just left you with a letter stating the permit extension process was initiated. In Aargau you keep the old permit until you get the new one.

2 - There's no deadline. But, the sooner the better because unemployment benefits arrive after some delay.

3 - This is a complex case, better consult a lawyer. In every canton there's a lawyer association (advokatenkammer) when you get 15-20 min of counseling for a minor fee. In Basel it's 10 CHF ( https://akbs.ch/ihr-anliegen/rechtsauskunft) If your question is relatively simple you leave there with an answer, if not they can send you to the right lawyer. In your case, someone specialized in residence permits. Unfortunately, this service is not offered due to the lockdown until the end of April. You may call them to check if it's possible to have the short consulting session remotely.
Thank you very much for a very detailed explanation.

1- Yes, I still have my old permit. Besides that, in December 2019, Vaud gave me an attestation letter stating that my stay in Switzerland is valid for the next 6 months.

2- Happy to know that. Thank you very much. If it is approved later than expected, can I get retroactive benefits as well? Or will payment start from the date of approval?

3- Thank you so much, I did not know that. I will try to get in touch with them.

Many thanks, I wish you all the best.
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2- Happy to know that. Thank you very much. If it is approved later than expected, can I get retroactive benefits as well? Or will payment start from the date of approval?

Don't know that much about unemployment


I remembered the same legal service exists in canton Vaud: permanance juridique d'ordre des avocats. They offer the brief consult by phone work in spite of the lockdown

https://www.oav.ch/publique/permanences-juridiques/
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1. You should register with RAV no later than the first day of unemployment, i.e., 16 April, but why not do it now.

2. You should normally register at the RAV office for the area where you are registered as living, not where you work.

3. RAV (Arbeitslosenkasse) will normally pay retroactively to the date of registration if there are paperwork delays. If you register after 16 April, you won't be paid for those days between 16 April and when you register late.

4. You might wish to take this eLearning course to understand RAV and its processes, available in multiple languages. At the end, email the certificate to your own email address and print it out. Your RAV adviser will normally want to see it:

https://awa.zh.ch/internet/volkswirt...formation.html

5. For an overview of RAV, see the brochure in your favorite language at this link. It may be necessary to download to view:

https://www.sg.ch/wirtschaft-arbeit/...en-muesse.html

6. The Application for Unemployment Compensation and other forms are available at arbeit.swiss in the three Swiss languages.
- For translation of many RAV documents, please see this link:

https://www.englishforum.ch/employme...ranslated.html

7. At this time I do not see a need to engage an attorney to register with RAV.
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Thank you, my friend. You made me relived. I will ask for an attestation letter from Basel Stadt next week.

Do you think that I should go to RAV in Basel or in Lausanne? Or it does not actually matter? I live in Basel but my address is still registered in Lausanne.
I don't understand, auhan, why you are not registered in Basel. But fair enough, perhaps it has to do with the complexities you described above.

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Please, when you say "normally", is that compulsory? Once we're in post-Corona, won't auhan have to go to the RAV appointments at their offices? If living in Basel, then it would surely be rather inconvenient to have to travel up and down to Lausanne to do that.

Could you please clarify? Thanks.
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Please, when you say "normally", is that compulsory? Once we're in post-Corona, won't auhan have to go to the RAV appointments at their offices? If living in Basel, then it would surely be rather inconvenient to have to travel up and down to Lausanne to do that.

Could you please clarify? Thanks.
As far as I know it has to be nearby where you live, not work. Each city has a designated RAV office.
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But in OP's case, "really living" and "registered as living" are two different cities.
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When the OP is officially registered as resident in Basel, then s/he should contact the appropriate RAV office in Basel and request a Standortwechsel from Lausanne to Basel.
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But in OP's case, "really living" and "registered as living" are two different cities.
Right now it will be by mail/email anyway, at the place where you live and I interpret that as are registered. But maybe they allow exceptions but then Kanton Basel would have to pay.



Informieren Sie sich bei Ihrer Wohngemeinde, wo Sie Ihre Arbeitslosigkeit melden müssen: bei der Wohngemeinde oder beim zuständigen regionalen Arbeitsvermittlungszentrum (RAV).

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Dear @Mullhollander, @doropfiz and @roegner

Thank you very much for extremely useful and helpful posts.

Sorry for the complexity, let me clarify more:

My address is still registered in Lausanne. However, I rent an apartment in Basel and am living in Basel since February. I applied for a changing canton from Vaud to Basel on January 24th 2020. However, I am still waiting for Basel Stadt's evaluation. Once it is approved, I will also notify a change of address at the register of the population. As far as I know, I am not allowed to do it until my canton change request is approved. By the way, the cantonal authorities of Basel-Stadt gave me permission verbally to rent a house in Basel.

So, as far as I understand from your posts, I can't go to RAV in Basel and apply for unemployment benefits until I am officially registered in Basel. I should go to Lausanne. This is really ridiculous considering the current virus situation. If I wait a little longer for final approval of my canton change request, this will delay my application to RAV for at least 2 weeks. However, you are saying that I should register with RAV no later than the first day of unemployment so that I do not see any other option, except going to Lausanne from Basel next week and apply for it.
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Dear @Mullhollander, @doropfiz and @roegner

Thank you very much for extremely useful and helpful posts.

Sorry for the complexity, let me clarify more:

My address is still registered in Lausanne. However, I rent an apartment in Basel and am living in Basel since February. I applied for a changing canton from Vaud to Basel on January 24th 2020. However, I am still waiting for Basel Stadt's evaluation. Once it is approved, I will also notify a change of address at the register of the population. As far as I know, I am not allowed to do it until my canton change request is approved. By the way, the cantonal authorities of Basel-Stadt gave me permission verbally to rent a house in Basel.

So, as far as I understand from your posts, I can't go to RAV in Basel and apply for unemployment benefits until I am officially registered in Basel. I should go to Lausanne. This is really ridiculous considering the current virus situation. If I wait a little longer for final approval of my canton change request, this will delay my application to RAV for at least 2 weeks. However, you are saying that I should register with RAV no later than the first day of unemployment so that I do not see any other option, except going to Lausanne from Basel next week and apply for it.

To the best of my knowledge, no RAV offices in all of Switzerland are open to the public due to the c-virus. All registrations are being done by telephone, email and post. Please see this link for information on registering at RAV/ OCP Vaud (French):

https://www.vd.ch/themes/economie/de...rus-2019-ncov/

You should contact the RAV/OCP Lausanne office responsible for your address in Lausanne to proceed with registration. Please enter the postal code of your Lausanne residence at this link to determine the responsible RAV/ OCP Lausanne office:

https://www.ch.ch/en/registering-unemployed/

BTW: this is the link to the RAV/ OCP Vaud eLearning:

https://www.vd.ch/themes/economie/de...nversicherung/
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To the best of my knowledge, no RAV offices in all of Switzerland are open to the public due to the c-virus. All registrations are being done by telephone, email and post. Please see this link for information on registering at RAV/ OCP Vaud (French):

https://www.vd.ch/themes/economie/de...rus-2019-ncov/

You should contact the RAV/OCP Lausanne office responsible for your address in Lausanne to proceed with registration.

Please enter the postal code of your Lausanne residence at this link to determine the responsible RAV/ OCP Lausanne office:

https://www.ch.ch/en/registering-unemployed/

BTW: this is the link to the RAV/ OCP Vaud eLearning:

https://www.vd.ch/themes/economie/de...nversicherung/
Thank you Mullhollander. You helped me a lot.

It might be a stupid question: but what would happen if I apply for unemployment benefits in Lausanne and meanwhile, my canton change request for Basel is approved?
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For future references, I would like to share my own experiences.

First of all, I would like to warmly thank the authorities of Basel-Stadt for their continuous support. I know they won't read this message, but they were always kind, polite and responsive to my emails. I sincerely thank them for standing with me in my difficult times.

As you might remember, I was living in Lausanne and then, moved to Basel to start working for a company but lost my job due to the pandemic of Covid-19. When I learned to lose my job, my canton changing request from Vaud to Basel-Stadt had not been approved yet but in process. More importantly, I had not received my new Swiss Identity Card.

The first thing I would like to say is that it is not mandatory to register with RAV no later than the first day of unemployment. It is better to apply as soon as you learn to lose your job but it is not a must. However, you might lose some earnings for a few days if you apply later than expected.

Both Basel and Lausanne authorities advised me to apply for the unemployment benefits in Lausanne and then, transfer it to Basel once my canton change request is approved. However, I did not want to do it and talked to AWA in Basel. One person said that I can apply for the unemployment benefits in Basel because evaluating my documents will also take some time but if my canton change request is not approved during the evaluation, my application will be rejected. Another person gave me a better suggestion and said that I can wait until I have the final approval from Basel-Stadt for a changing canton and when my request is approved, then I can apply for the unemployment benefits in Basel. Since I already contacted them on April 9th, they agreed to use that date as a reference, so I wouldn't lose out on any unemployment benefits.

On April 20th, my canton changing request was finally approved and then, I applied for unemployment benefits in Basel. After my application, they also asked me to fill out several documents. My only suggestion here would be sending an employer's certificate to your previous employers in advance because it might take some time to get them back with the signature, so it is better to send the employer's certificate and ask them to fill them out in advance.

On May 5th, I have submitted all of my documents and three weeks later, on May 29th, my application for the unemployment benefits has been approved.

I chose "Öffentliche Arbeitslosenkasse Basel-Stadt" for an unemployment insurance fund and I am happy with their service, except they are speaking German. but I am totally okay with it. They are really responsive to my emails and Google Translate is pretty good at translating from German to English. Besides that, my RAV advisor is really nice and gentle and more importantly, he speaks English fluently.

Lastly, on May 18th, I finally received my new Swiss Identity card. It is a B-work permit (Mit erwerbstätigkeit) and no company name is written on it. I asked AWA if I can work for any other company in any other canton and they said my work permit is not restricted to my previous employer. Therefore, if I find a new job, my new company doesn’t have to make a new application and with my B-Permit, I can work in any canton I like.

PS: My Zulassungscode is 1402.

Guys, you helped me a lot during these difficult days, especially @Mullhollander, your translated documents are really helpful. Thanks a million to all you guys for your help. I hope this message can also help someone in the future.

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