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Re: Is being a developer a dead end in Switzerland due to outsourcing?

No. It’s not dead here. Offshoring is not a solution for every project and the results are often suspect. Cost savings can be an illusion. Try to attach yourself to the companies, or pursue your own clients, which understand that. There will always be a well paying need for developers that are capable, responsive, and work well as part of a skilled team. (However, that does start to get a bit into the idea of having some management and architecture exposure while still being considered a developer.)

You also need proper credentials, an established body of work, documented efforts to update your skill set, and some good connections. Otherwise it will be a struggle to stay relevant.

Do you have any “specialities” of sorts?
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110k "tops" after 5-10 years, wtf are you talking about? Many skilled and experienced devs get over 110k in multinational companies.

It's not a "standard" salary but it's definitely achievable to get more than 110k at a senior level without getting into management.
I agree. 130K-140K definitely not out of the ordinary. Maybe even more, if you stay in one place and make yourself valuable and this, without management responsibility, just as a developer.
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Re: Is being a developer a dead end in Switzerland due to outsourcing?

I remembered something relevant to the topic.

Some jobs are not subject to outsourcing out of CH because of strategic interest. I remember the story of an acquaintance. It's not software development but more in the line of IT but it's a good example of services strategically located in Switzerland. Big p****a company stores all the sensitive data in Switzerland. Employees around the world use their laptops to connect to the storage in CH, work and all local data is erased when they turn off their computers. If any prosecutor/investigator wants to have access to data, they need to request it to a Swiss judge.

I'm sure there might be also opportunities in software development where being located in CH provides a larger benefit that makes savings through outsourcing irrelevant.
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Re: Is being a developer a dead end in Switzerland due to outsourcing?

I hear 130k is the new 120k.

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What, Chuff? You're contesting the data presented on EF?
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Is software-development (being an actual developer coding) a dead end in Switzerland due to outsourcing?
I see most of all the large companies have 50-80% easteuropean and indian workers that are very capable and hard working. They can get top skilled workforce that are happy to work at low swiss rates.
Software Development is definitely not a dead end, and there are plenty of jobs available at all levels - but especially for talented developers with experience in growth areas like AI, graphics, blockchain and most financial fields.

Outsourcing to India is not the solution some CIOs thought it was - it needs a lot of good & proactive mgmt at both ends to make it work (many companies fail at this) otherwise the quality of deliverables is poor and the purported cost savings can be eaten up with the re-work. Quite a few have either started to roll back on outsourcing, or never went that route.

Near-shoring to Poland, Romania etc is still booming - perhaps the more closely aligned working ethics/styles can lead to better results. But even here, a lot of the work is still more the lifecycle maintenance stuff rather than novel new development.

Bottom line: if you're any good and you can show this to potential employers then you will find the work.
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